Keep clear of Norway

[Per Olav]

The Norwegian Government did by 2004 issue a ban on the Czeschoslovakian Wolfdog and the American Staffordshire Terrier which are not allowed to import, keep or breed as the dogs are considered dangerous. In the last weeks Norwegian Media a new debate on the ban has arissen. The owners of the Amstaff Majlo - a young Swedish couple - left Sweden for new jobs in Norway. The couple claiming unaware of the Norwegian ban crossed the border accompanied by their pet. Some time later the police broke into their apartment and removed the dog. Fearing the owners would kidnap it the police brought the animal to secret rescue and the owners have to pay approx 400 euro for seeing their dog on a meeting place far away from the unknown shelter.

According to Norwegian law the couple should have been rejected by the border control not permitted to enter Norway accompanied by the dog. In this case something went terribly wrong and most likely the dog will be put to death even if the couple is willing to leave their home and quit their Norwegian employment by returning to Sweden with the pet.

I therefore strongly advice my fellow csv owners not to cross the Norwegian border accompanied by a csv, not even for hollidays. It may be killed just by beeing a dog.

[Juniorwolf]

That`s very sad
Last year I was on my way to a dogshow in Norway, as I did not have any problems to enter the show with my CSW, I did not think there would be any problems ....fortunatly I wrote you(Per Olav) an email about regulations for entering Norway with my CSW and you warned me not to go, because of the ban ...THANK YOU VERY MUCH

Greetings Rolf

[Vaiva]

But this is TERRIBLE Who has a right to take MY dog away and kill him, if neither me, nor my dog didn't do anything wrong It is unhuman

[Hanka]

Hello Per Olav,
what we can tell..................
stupid, stupid goverment.
Your work on "good name of breed" your work on your web is for nothing now. I have really bad feeling from it.
Greetings for you and your family and kiss for "my puppy"
Hanka

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hello Per Olav,
what we can tell..................
stupid, stupid goverment.
Your work on "good name of breed" your work on your web is for nothing now. I have really bad feeling from it.
Greetings for you and your family and kiss for "my puppy"
Hanka

Yes it is a stupid law but at least the media show the readers the sillyness of a law which put to death animals who have never done anything wrong except by beeing dogs. The silent work of having the law rejected is carried on. The last issue of the Norwegian Kennel Club Magazine published an article on "Dangerous Dogs" interviewing some well know dog trainers and behavioural experts who all condemned the law based on lobbyism from people of special interrests. The Society of Behavioural Experts of Pets will carry out a study on aggression among dogs etc. So on the contrary I believe that my site will become even more important by bringing facts relateted to our breed. The site will be renewed and I'm going to beg you all for more pics and maybe articles on our breed - especially related to work and training.

I'm creating a brand new gallery with Mikael as first contributor (thanks Mikael) and my first attempt on a blog is quoted by some newspapers - and of course I'm on Facebook

Your baby is kissed, greetings to you and your family and all the members of our forum.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

I've started with a brand new gallery with Mikael as first contributor (thanks Mikael) and my first attempt on a blog is quoted by some newspapers.

Thanks Olav it was the least I could do

Tell me if we/I can do more to help you ???
I will send you more photos ASAP !!!

I was about 1km from Norwegian border last summer in the artic but I did not dear to enter, even if it was only me and the alps that ever would know, I felt the risk was to high...Maby if I did meet some one that would know the breed, and tell, I was afraid to destroy all your hard work...

Way cant they just not send the dog back to Sweden ???
Way kill a inecent animal ??? It sounds like it is against the law of animals right ???

If a nother dog breed in Norway bite someone, by any reasen like a GSD will the dog always get killed ? if not way kill a totaly inecent dog ???

I hope your dog and the Saarloos are safe
As aperantly this dog was first aloved to enter, and now might be killed
It sounds dagerus to be a CsV or Saarloos in Norway !?!

Very best regards / Mikael

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

The Norwegian Government did by 2004 issue a ban on the Czeschoslovakian Wolfdog and the American Staffordshire Terrier which are not allowed to import, keep or breed as the dogs are considered dangerous. In the last weeks Norwegian Media a new debate on the ban has arissen. The owners of the Amstaff Majlo - a young Swedish couple - left Sweden for new jobs in Norway. The couple claiming unaware of the Norwegian ban crossed the border accompanied by their pet. Some time later the police broke into their apartment and removed the dog. Fearing the owners would kidnap it the police brought the animal to secret rescue and the owners have to pay approx 400 euro for seeing their dog on a meeting place far away from the unknown shelter.

According to Norwegian law the couple should have been rejected by the border control not permitted to enter Norway accompanied by the dog. In this case something went terribly wrong and most likely the dog will be put to death even if the couple is willing to leave their home and quit their Norwegian employment by returning to Sweden with the pet.

I therefore strongly advice my fellow csv owners not to cross the Norwegian border accompanied by a csv, not even for hollidays. It may be killed just by beeing a dog.

the couple need good solisitor to get reprieve for this dog, it is obvious a genuine mistake on the owners behalf that they where not aware of the law, but it was serious mistake by the border patrol to have let the dog enter Norway, the solisitor should explane what has happened putting the blame soley onto the border patrol, they should ask that the dog be taken back to the border and handed over to the owners so they can rehome it, it must be made very clear that the border patrol failed to do there job correctly, if they had of the owners could have returned the dog to Sweden and this mess would never of happened. it is sad the complete encompedence of the border patrol could cost this dog its life. have you the address of the people to legally contact on this matter? regards pacino

[Vaiva]

Are there any border patrols on the border of Sweeden and Norway?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Are there any border patrols on the border of Sweeden and Norway?

I think there might be somewere between the borders down south...

But where I have pass there was nothing, I do not know where they did pass ??? But I think it is like crossing any border they control only 3-4% of the cars that pass or even less

As if you go to Sweden from Finland whit Silja Line you can pass fri on a sunday as they do not work at the border control at that harbour on sunday

Regards / Mikael

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Mikael

I think there might be somewere between the borders down south...

Geology students from Vilnius university go for practise on summers to Norway and they usualy pass the border from Finland to Norway And there is no border patrols My dog might have been crossing this border two years ago Scary.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Geology students from Vilnius university go for practise on summers to Norway and they usualy pass the border from Finland to Norway And there is no border patrols My dog might have been crossing this border two years ago Scary.

We do not have border patrol that far up in Scandinavia as there is no one passing or to less even in the summer and in the winter we do not even know where the borders are, as we can not se the white lines on the ground because of all the snow ...and ho would be passing there in -40`c and about 2,5 meter of snow I wounder...

Just kidding...

Best regards / Mikael

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Are there any border patrols on the border of Sweeden and Norway?

For sure, stationary and mobile units. You have the oportunity to pass stationary customs on "green" which means "no matters of interrest" or on "red" if you have matters to declare before entering the country. There may be mobile units patrolling the borders independently at a distance of approx 40 km off the border zone.

[Per Olav]

The couple has crossed the border several times without beeing questioned about their dog and now the Norwegian Kennel Club is supporting the couple by asking the police to think otherwise. The law make it clear that the the couple should have been informed before the police intervened by breaking into the apartmenet in the owner¨s absence. (The single person present was the mother of the owner - a Polish speaking woman with no knowledge of Norwegian). Nevertheless - according to the police the dog showed aggressive behaviour by barking (!!) at the officers as they entered the flat.

Most likely the police will defend their superiority by putting the dog to death unless the Head of Police decide otherwise. On facebook more than 10.000 individuals are supporting the couple and a petition is by now signed by more than 2.000.

[Rona]

The owners of Imbus spent their summer hollidays in Norway with Imbus. http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/926/ http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/917/ http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/936/
They seem to have been lucky!
Per Olav, can we do anything to help save the dog?

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Rona

The owners of Imbus spent their summer hollidays in Norway with Imbus. http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/926/ http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/917/ http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/pl/gallery/subcat/0/936/
They seem to have been lucky!
Per Olav, can we do anything to help save the dog?

Maybe a mail to the Department of Police? I'll request information by the guy running the facebook group in support of the dog.

And yes, Imbus is certainly born under a lucky star

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

On facebook more than 10.000 individuals are supporting the couple and a petition is by now signed by more than 2.000.

Could you please post a link of this petition?

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Could you please post a link of this petition?

http://www.opprop.no/opprop.php?id=ajlo

[Per Olav]

The e-mail address to the Head of Police is [email protected] . My advice is to keep a "sober tone" appealing the authoryties allowing the dog transferred to Sweden. Harsh words may reduce the dog's possibility of survival.

[Margo]

People! The Norwegian government made really good steps trying to protect country from aggressive Wolfdogs. We have already documented cases of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs killing Norwegian(?) elks....

It started over three years ago:



and last till nowadays...




PS. It is sad we all must remove Norway from the list of countries which are a nice place to spent the holidays but as we saw on Wolfdog stupid regulations and decisions change. They go by as the people who made them....

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Margo

People! The Norwegian government made really good steps trying to protect country from aggressive Wolfdogs. We have already documented cases of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs killing Norwegian(?) elks....

LOL

PS. It is sad we all must remove Norway from the list of countries which are a nice place to spent the holidays but as we saw on Wolfdog stupid regulations and decisions change. They go by as the people who made them....

It's truly sad that this versatile breed is no longer allowed in my country - but the Kennel Club, experts and "ordinary people" are fighting to invalidate the existing law.