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05-01-2010, 10:27 | #1 | ||
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Champions, world champions, super champions
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It seems very strongly to me , that you both only feel envy for your own dogs are not World Champions , or from litter of such Champion. Bye- bye Last edited by Nebulosa; 05-01-2010 at 22:06. Reason: Correcting the name of who quote, it was Silvester, not me. |
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05-01-2010, 11:23 | #2 |
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Harmonia Eden Severu IS a World Champion!!!
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05-01-2010, 11:29 | #3 |
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Rona, the only thing they are trying is to mistake the true intentions of this post. Do you not understand?
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05-01-2010, 12:20 | #4 | |
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I not envy for this litter or this WW who have father. He is nice dog, not exelent like and alls wolfdogs, but nice. If I wish have this same pedigree I can mate with this same male, but I wan't this. Why? I think this understand only good breeder not people who have first dog in his live or breeder who make one litter with this breeding plan " mas be ch, ch, ch and mas be nice ch". Rona, not only WW champion but and BALT CH, PL-CZ-LT-LV-EE, club Ch, but this is nothing only titels |
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05-01-2010, 12:46 | #5 |
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I know and you know well what I think of show titles . I just found it really humorous, that he was blaming you for envy of WW title
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05-01-2010, 14:41 | #6 |
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05-01-2010, 16:07 | #7 | |
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I try to explain that in a pedigree has many champions there is no guarantee that champions go, there are more possibilities, but there is no guarantee. Sometimes two mediocre pieces comes a genetic mutation or a hybrid specimen (by genetic mutation) and is an excellent example. At times a mixture of blood and chromosomes and gives the perfect mix of mediocre duplicate born a perfect copy. Do not believe? This is de mother nature and de Evolution Theory... the breeding of a champion not only depends on the titles of his predecessors, but it also depends on items such as embryonic cell lineages, the quality of cell division, chromosomes, and in turn this depends on the laws of simple inheritance , of the genes and alleles, complete or incomplete dominance, the possibility of multiple alleles, gene mimics, and therefore there must be borne in mind that this may cause masking of characters in other generations later come to light ... Last edited by Erwan Grey; 05-01-2010 at 16:16. |
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05-01-2010, 16:16 | #8 | |
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05-01-2010, 16:15 | #9 |
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Exactly, dear "jasmine" ! Just this i have also told before ...
And a World Champion "Harmonia Eden severu " with bonitation code A62.5 F2 K1 Oc R1 P3 F2 = long ears K1 = too long tail Oc =irritable - uncourages and P 3 NOT a P1 in bonitation- code , with two grandparents with HD- result "C" (!) can without any doubt not be compared with Amore Mio! Greetings from Germany |
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Are you aware that your friend Carlos, selected Harmonia, the 'ugly' female WW 2006 with too long ears, too long tail, uncourages and irritable to be the mother of the male he bought from Daiva? I don't know the dog, but I know the parents and belive me, they are great! Both Cheitan and Harmonia have something, that for me (a non-breeder) is most important in a dog: fantastic characters and working drive. Plus this 'something', sometimes called "charisma", of which you can say nothing if you haven't seen them interacting with humans and other dogs... Please, think before you write your next post, unless you want to give us more entertainment... and further ridicule Carlos' kennel He does not deserve allies like you. |
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05-01-2010, 17:39 | #11 |
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Exactly, dear "jasmine" ! Just this i have also told before ...
And a World Champion "Harmonia Eden severu " with bonitation code A62.5 F2 K1 Oc R1 P3 F2 = long ears K1 = too long tail Oc =irritable - uncourages and P 3 NOT a P1 in bonitation- code , with two grandparents with HD- result "C" (!) can without any doubt not be compared with Amore Mio! Greetings from Germany |
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I NEVER wrote what you quote in my name, so , please in next post put the correct name of who write it or I will change for your own name. Harmonia Eden Severu is world champion, I really dont care for dogshows as I know very well how it works, maybe this year if I have patience enough I will go again in few for expent my time talking with friends. You talkabout FACTS, seems you're completly unable to even look and understand the pedigree of your own dog, what a shame; Let me quote what I said and you wanted facts Quote:
Lorenz Farouk Arimminum - HD B - He is father of Bluebell wich is mother of Emba Ciara von wasterwalderberg - HD B, She is the mother of Bluebell, which is mother of Emba But let me show you something that can be a shock for someone who only accept the existance of A dogs, the full brother of Bluebell, Baschan, is D, as some of her brothers have C results. So, I think its time to wake up and at least try to understand what is selection, and that in dog breed does not exist perfect dog, sorry to say, but if you even tough that the line of your dog was the "most healty and clean of the breed" you were mistaken, its a line which need a lot of selection, as 99% of whole breed, and its a very important info if you even think about breed with your "perfect dog", open the eyes and see the truth can hurt, but its needed for the breed selection. When I know the problems of my dogs, I know how to select them, and so, how to improve then. Quote:
If you tough Amore Mio is a perfect dog, sorry, I only agree that he is a nice and tipical dog as every wolfdog should be, but that also need to be used with care for you be able to pass away the nice work you've done, or you will simply lost it. Quote:
What I most see are dogshows selecting by names, politicage and so on, well its not different with the breed and I could proof it. For some judge a CzW looking like GSD are beauty, so they wins, is that right now? Maybe is also right ugly dogs winning because they have a well known handler? Unhapply, only a small ammount of Judges get out of the statistic of "judging without have idea about the dog or the breed".
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06-01-2010, 10:56 | #14 | |
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I was also asking the president of Lithuanian Cynological Society about the character test that were an obligation for all the dogs some time ago. I wanted to know, why they are not used now. She simply explained that if a dog can pass a todays show with many people and dogs and noise and so on, he would pass that former character test too. So maybe successful attendence in dog shows also shows the dog is at least stable enought not to kill anyone in a new situation? It is not a rule of course, just an assumption. And a little oftopic By the way, Silvester, you are not the most polite and nice person, aren't you? Last edited by Vaiva; 06-01-2010 at 11:00. |
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