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Originally Posted by fabio..

Come previsto nessuna informazione.

Originally Posted by Bonfiglioli

X Fabio: ma tu speri di avere risposte? Vedrai che c'è una spiegazione...

I like Italian forum but usually I really have no time to read and follow all the topics. Expecially now - in the weekend we made about 1500km to pick up w CzW which the owner wanted to kill. Now the dog is by us and we have to bring him back to Slovakia. When you see that we have also puppies by us (and we have also "normal" work to do) you will see that we really have no time to read all topics.
So if someone started a topic about us it would be really KIND if the same person would ask us for an answer per email OR inform us that he started such topic... And not only wonder that there is no answer...

At this place I would like to thank people which informed me about it. It is a pitty it was not the person which attacked us...

Originally Posted by fabio..

La sua stessa Alistar non ha mai fatto la bonitazione da adulti però di sentenze sulle nostre bonitazioni e sulle irregolarità italiane ne fa eccome!

Alistar has bonitation - Polish one...  The bonitation code is A62,5 Of P1... But we are still thinking how to solve the problem with not-comparable bonitations - if all should be listed in the database or only OFFICIAL made according the Czech or Slovakian rules... But it is topic for separate theme which has been already disscused in the English forum...

Originally Posted by fabio..

Non è strano??
Sarei proprio curioso di sapere perchè.
e quì lancio la bomba ......
Mica sarà andata in polonia per "evitare" la obbligatorietà della bonitazione che ne avrebbe impedito il rilascio del pedigree in Cechia.
Perchè non fà la bonitazione (quella Ceca, quella vera) ?
Problemi a passarla ?
Aspetto insulti e clamorose smentite da parte di tutti.

I know that many people are used that breeders have something to hide, that breeders make frauds... That it is "normal" that breeders breed ill dogs, make strong inbreeds, breed dogs with genetic faults and/or character problems and make everything only to get money... But not ALL breeders. If one breeders makes it it is wrong to expect the same from ANY breeder...

So in this case - before thinking about Conspiracy Theory - isn't it better simply to ask? The litter of Gejsa is not a top secret story... Everyone who ASK is informed about it...

The litter of Gejsa was not a way to dodge the breeding rules in CZ but a typical 'mistake' litter. Gejsa was owned by Marcela - her breeder. Because Gejsa was living with her mother (Ajga) what had negative influence on her character (she started to be distrustful against men) so Marcela decided to give her to Eva (the owner of Dat) for resocialization - Gejsa lived by Eva for a longer time, was showed and trained by her and her character improved and was better and better. People who were already on some dog shows in Slovakia or/and Czech Republic will confirm that the true "owner" ("keeper"?) was Eva.
Everything was OK and the bonitation of Gejsa was planned for the end of this year or beggining or middle of the next year. No litter was planned at that time.
But life is not always as planned - Gejsa started her heat. Before Marcela took her back to her home for that time she was covered by Dat. Gejsa didn't showed any signs that the "right days" are comming, she was not "standing", not flirting with Dat. It was first the 10(!) day of the heat. She was covered only once. Many breeders cover their females the whole heat, in the good days and the females stay "empty". Usually during the first days of heat (as the books write) is not possible for the females to become pregnant... So everyone though mistake happend but there will be no puppies... To be sure Marcela made the USG and... there will be a litter...

The whole story looks so: NOBODY can forbid breeders to breed ill puppies. NOBODY can forbid them to use dogs with very high number of puppies with HD-problems. NOBODY can forbid breeders to breed dogs with genetic faults and spread them to the puppies....

...but Gejsa's puppies would not get the pedigrees in Czech Republic because she has no bonitation... In Italy many breeders would be proud of such litter and advertise this litter as "one of the most interesting litters of the year"  but not in Czech Republic...

So for Marcela there were two possible solutions:
1) To give Gejsa after the mating a injection to cause abortion. The injection is VERY risky and there were already females which not only stayed sterile after such injection but also almost lost their lifes (there were complications).
2) To kill all newborn puppies just after their birth because an FCI-registered breeder can not breed and sell (or give away)dogs without papers so it was not possible to give these puppies to people.

What would you choose if it would happend to your female? If she would be covered against your will by Forrest or Big Wakan Wolf or any other nice Italian male? Would you give her this injection or you would kill the puppies?

Luckly there was third way to solve this problem - according to the Polish breeding rules Gejsa has already breeding rights: she is already over 18 months old, she has HD-result and she attended more dog show results with good results. It is the reason why she will have litter in Poland.

As you can see it is not "z Peronowki"-gate...
There are no dirty things in this litter and I really have nothing to accuse me of this...
If there is any question it is only about the ethics - everyone can answer it by himself - if in such case will register such litter on own kennel...
I personaly have no problem with it: the puppies will be saved. They will be marked with my kennel name and I must say I will never make something like this for a litter which can be bad for the opinion about my kennel: I would never register a litter where the parents have no HD-results, where the parents have any genetic problems or where the parents are not high quality dogs (and can lower standard of puppies from our kennel). But in this case I do not need to be affraid: Dat is a Czech stud dog, HD-A (0/0), with P1 from the bonitation, character Og and at this time one of the most winning dogs in Czech Republic. Gejsa was Of during the youth bonitation (in Czech Republic), HD-B(0/1) made in Czech Republic and at that time claimed to be one of the best Czech females (she really looks great)... So in this case it was not planned but if she would have the bonitation, if she would be covered by Dat in one year such litter could be advertised as a very nice and interesting litter...

I hope it cleared you the whole story which caused so many bad words about me only because someone was not prepared to ask me directly... Czech club members, board and breeding comittee are informed about the whole story. If there is one person which is responsible for it - it is Eva Myslivecka (although it could happend to everyone who has female and male at home so it is really impossible to blame her). Anyway she said during the club meeting that she is prepared to undergo any penalties told by the Czech Club... If you want to follow the story - contact the Czech Club...