You started very interesting topic - "black list of dog with problems"....
Such list you mentioned exist but it will be never published... There is no way to do it...
But it is good to talk about such cases because things which are spoken behind the back make in many cases more problems and sometimes they can be really bad. It is really better to talk about it openly EVEN if someone can feel attacked...
There is always a problem with the rumours which are told by the breeders. You have to be REALLY very careful with it because there is a lot false information spread through internet to make some dogs and breeders worsers than they really are...
One case: there was a nice dog. Two breeders covered their females with him but the females stayed empty. The breeders stared to talk "the stud dog is responsible for it - he can not have puppies". For some years other breeders avoid covering with this male - nobody was prepare to risk. When the stud dog owner discovered it he made the test by the male. The male was... 100% OK. Short time later first litters of this dog were born.
So the false opinion spread by some breeders which were not able to plan the mating right and probably visited the male too early (or too late) cause almost that an interesing dog was not used by other breeders.
Another case: there is a very nice dog with good HD-results (both his parents are HD-A) giving HORRIBLE Hd-results by the puppies. The problem is in the database you can only see good results of his offsprings - other are hidden, some not published (for example dog which penn hips are operated before they were old enough to make official HD-results). So officialy it is good dog with normal results by his offsprings but "implicated" breeders know not to use him. Other breeders do and they are suprised by the horrible HD-results not only by the puppies but also by puppies of this puppies... Because OFFICIALY everything seems to be OK with this dog... And nobody will blame this dog OFFICIALY and put him of the "black list" because there are no OFFICIAL proofs...
Expecially when it comes to the heath some breeders will make everything to hide the facts. Some years ago we had huge fight between the breeders and the owner - the dog become problems to walk in young age already so it had to be operated because of a very strong HD. Later the owners asked us to put "HD-E (unofficial)" as result in the database even in the results was not HD-E but much worser. After it the breeders attacked the owner will all possible methods and asked to remove the results because "Yes, the dog has dysplasia. Yes, it is so strong that the dog can not walk BUT it can not be written into the database because there is no proof which degree it OFFICIALY" was...
In the fact the breeder was right and in the database you can only find offical results but it also means: you can not find there REALLY hard cases where the dogs were put down opr operated because of strong HD. Such serious cases are "hidden" for 'usual' breeders....
As you can see in both cases there were no prooves but people were talking behind the back of the owners - that the first dog can not have puppies and the second gives dysplasia. Only if you talk about it you can give people the chance to be cleared of the charges (first case) and in second case to warn them from making mistakes... But you can not make OFFICIAL list basing on this. So the only solution for the breeders is to be as good informed as they can...
BUT now back to Orlik... It was exactly the case of the rumours which breeders were spreading some information around and nobody was checking it... But it was not about Orlik but about Omar z Krotkovského dvora. In Czech Republic I heard many times "Slovakian wolfdogs have problems with curly hair because of Omar". The same I heard in Slovakia - that this dog is responsible for the hair problems. But for me it was very suspicious because there was a kennels where you hade some curly coated puppies in every litter. With ONE exception - it was the litter where the father was ... Omar. This litter was "curly coat free"...
So we collected all the cases of curly coared dogs (not only the cases discovered during the bonitation but also many example which we collected from the breeders). We put it into the database and the computer found out that it was not Omar - the common ancestor was Orlik...
Should we put him on the black list? I don't think so... Why? Because all dogs have advantages and faults...
In the Orlik case - when it comes to the hair you must pay attention and not to make strong inbreeds because the possibility that the puppies will have also curly hair is much higher than by other matings. The same is also with using dogs which are strong inbreeds on Orlik - when you mate female (which has low inbreed coefficient) with male which is "high inbreed on Orlik" you will also have huge possibility many curly coated puppies will be born because they will get more from the father than from the mother.
So the question is why people use offsprings of Orlik? Answer is clear - hair is not everything. Curly hair "typ Orlik" has better quality than by many other lines (there are many CzW which have wrong soft hair - but nobody cares for it and nobody check this problem). Many dogs from this line give great rich coat (but not mix it with long as by some longaired dogs).
I also had no problems to use for my females dogs which have Orlik (3,4 generation) because all the males were known for giving puppies with very stable character and very good penn hip results. All of them were typical dogs with normal hair. So the advantages were bigger than the "risk" and the puppies heritated exactly what I expected.
But 'no' - I personally would not make stronger inbreed on Orlik because in the most cases I saw it finished with the hair by the puppies far from being "typical" CzW coat.
Orlik is only one of the examples - there are many dogs with Orlik in ther pedigree. And it is really nothing wrong - it not make the worser than other dogs - in some cases they can be even better: I personally would take a very nice typical dog with good character and good hips and Orlink in the pedigree than a dog without Orlik but looking untypical, doggish and with agressive character. Because the point of breeding and making the progress base on taking the best and discarding the bad things... If you will be able to discard the curly hair by Orlik you will get nice dogs, with nice character and in the most cases good hips. The breeders must only pay attention while making the inbreeds because of the PROBABILITY. In some cases you can see that because some breeders have no idea about the RISK they make strong inbreeds on Orlik and their puppies are more and more curly coated - they make selection... but the selection goes in the direction "curly coated Wolfdogs"... thay make exactly the wrong "genes" stronger instead of trying to breed them out.
From the genetic point it is also problematic because most cases must be examined basing on the genetics of OUR breed. Already in the theory it is not so easy to follow because curly hair is incompletely dominant. Additionaly you have different degrees of curly hairs - sometimes it is only some curly hair on the back or/and rump. Sometimes you have curly hairs on the whole body (the dogs look like sheeps).
Curly hair is not the only "hair problem":
- the curly hairs are not only "typical" for Orlik and Slovakian dogs because you have the same problem (one line) in Czech Republic - the same problems but these dogs have nothing to do with Orlik so it must come from other ancestors.
- we have dogs with too short hair (there are already whole lines of dogs with untypical too short hair but they are never listed because the judges never know if they see a dog with untypical too short coat or the dogs are shedding)
- we have longhaired dogs - they appear mostly in Italy but the problem comes from the German Shepherd Dogs - so it can appear by other lines too but the italian breeder make selection on such coat and the problem appears by him much more frequenty. Such hair is also very problematic for working breed (problems with overheating)
- there are dogs with soft coat - it is also problematic because such hair looks normal but are not weather resist as the typical CzW hair (for example ddogs with soft coat ry much longer than typical dogs). Also here nobody follow and fight with these faults...
We have really a lot to do and a lot to select...
Anyway we have much bigger problems - sure we have to pay attention for everything also the hair (because they are pretty common last time) but we have much more serious problems:
- open lips - we have already whole lines where NOT EVEN ONE dog has typical dry lips. Open lips and too heavy doggish heads are by some lines not "exceptions" but real INVASION
- heavy heads - we have some lines which are already so far away from being wolfish that when you will change the colour of the dogs from wolfish grey to brown you will get TYPICAL ... German Shepherd Dogs...
- with heavy heads come also wrinkles - there are more and more dogs which look like shar peis - have so many wrinkles on their heads... It makes the heads to look untypical and the number of such dogs is rising
- heavy dogs - the tendency to breed as big dog as possible caused that there are more and more CzW which are so badly build (heavy and limphatic) that the dogs have even problems to pass the 20 km exams...
- character - everybody criticise shy dogs. Sure they can not be called typical CzW. But there are more and more dogs which are too calm - lazy, lymphatic CzW which do not want to move, which is not active is also NO typical CzW. In the whole history I do not know even one dog which get "Oj"-character code ( flegmatic, calm temperament) but I know already some new dogs which really deserve such description... It is sad to see that Anatolian and Caucasian Shepherd of you friends are much more actiuve than some CzWs I know...
And for sure we can find more....
But still I can say that problems with the exterier are not so problematic as the problems with the health... If the dog has curly coat it can live happy for years. But when you have dog which is not able to move at the age of 8 monts...it is the end...
And it is much more problematic to follow because many breeders and owners hide health problems...
I will not say coat is no important but it is nothing compared to the bigger and bigger amount of CzW with ED problems. Why? Nobody cares for ED so the breeders breed with CzW even if it is proven that the dogs have elbow dysplasia....
....BUT....
We will never be able to prepare any black list. We can notice the problems, collect the information, store HD, ED, PRA results but all we will have are just pure suspicion and cases which we can proove with smaller or bigger probability.
Yes, we do it - we collect the results, store the rumours and goosips. But we make it the same way other breeders do. Maybe in the future we will have some good results and we can find out some problematic "lines" or "dogs" but now... we can only discuss it unofficialy here on forum...
On the other hand I'm for such disscusion even if for some people it will look like muckraking.I was really amused when I heard some goosips but last time I'm really shocked about the amount of false informaton spread by jealous breeders about other dogs and other breeders.
If you heard some rumours and accusations spread behind the back of others - just write it here... We can always check it in public - what we know and what we have - basing on the facts and not on the "top secret fairy tales" which are so popular last time...
It will be really great when even one dog or one breeder can be cleared from the accusations....