X-rays
 

Yes, but (little OT):

"The extended VD view is prone to unacceptable variability. In one study, 65 large breed dogs were evaluated by OFA and three ACVR Diplomates (Specialist Veterinary Radiologists in the US). Evaluation between the two groups of scorers agreed on the diagnosis less than 50 per cent of the time. There was also significant intraobserver variation or lack of repeatability with the same radiologist.

Of the 65 dogs, 10 were considered dysplastic by the OFA, while 25 to 29 were considered dysplastic by the ACVR Diplomates. The extended VD scoring scheme has had little or no impact on reducing the gene pool with very high prevalence rates."

Yes, but it is problem in all World. We can go for good results for example to Italy or Poland (I wrote FOR EXAMPLE), because in every country is difeferent way of searching of it...But SOMETHING is better than NOTHING.....

Does some of you are using Penn Hip ?

Also about the age (and false negative): http://www.theveterinarian.com.au/cl...article625.asp

Hip extended radiography accuracy:

six months: 16-32 per cent
1 yr: 62-69 per cent
1.5 yrs: 72-83 per cent
2 yrs: 92-95 per cent

This is the reason why we are not allowed to x-ray too young (as far as I remember with 18 month earliest) in Germany and we normally don´t do it before 24 month, especially in males. But in most countries x-rays are done with 12 month.

German vets that are allowed to do the evaluation normally meet in regular terms and train together to increase the accuracy. It seems to work, we once did let 2 dogs evaluate from 3 vets and got identical results on both.

Ina

In Czech Republic the Club changed the minimum age to 15 months....

Good decision, what was it before this?

12 monts... :p

I think 24 month are to be the minimum,
sens the certainty on a 15 month test is very low to,
only about 70% safe !!!

Best regards / Mikael

Everybody says the same... ;) I heard the most strickt vets are in France, Italy, Germany, Holland or Czech Republic... it depends on the person which says it... :rock_3

But it is hard to believe because our puppies were tested in different countries in Europe (also these I listed) and the worstes results we get... in Poland... :lol: So now I must start to talk "The strickest vets which evaluate X-rays are in Poland"... :lol:


Sure there are differences. Not between COUNTRIES but between VETS. You can see differences between Italian vets. But also by you in your country - some months ago we made some small statistisc for X-rays in Czech Republic... I think the results was that the defference between two CZECH vets was sometimes about 20%. If we will take into consideration also Sterc I think the differece between him and other Czech vets will be about 50%... :lol:

So there ARE differences but we would have to make some statistics and it is not possible to make because we can not compare the results....
So the only solution to have one system would be one veterinarian comittee made by FCI ...BUT.... forget they will ever make something like this... 8)

No no no Margo you are wrong, the hardest tests are in Sweden :lol:

In Sweden 0 vets are allowed to say if it is HD or ED,
The veterinarians only take X-ray and after that thay send the photos to a expert committee.

This committee will make the decision and put the result in the Swedish Kennel Club data base, where you and all uther can read it :)

In Sweden there are no hide from a bad HD or ED result, hard but good :) :) :)

Regards / Mikael

In Holland is the same system:

• Principal every vet can make HD X-rays, but they have first to sign an agreement with the Dutch Kennel club.

• The vets are only allowed to make X-rays by strict position rules and they have to send the X-rays to the specialist committee
(when the position of hips on the X-rays are not 100% correct the X-rays are not excepted by the committee)

• The vets are also not allowed to say official anything about their thoughts about the result (but some of them do, and then the owner sometimes decides that he don’t want to send the X-rays to the committee. They prefer to have no HD results on pedigrees of the offspring instead then worse results… :evil:)

• The committee judge and evaluate the X-rays and send their decision about the result to the Dutch Kennel club, the breed club and the owner

• This official HD committee is a part of the official HD Dutch Kennel club in section Health, behavior and wellness (GGW in Dutch)

• And only the HD results of this committee of experts are official!

The only difference is that you can’t find in Holland all the results of dogs of every breed in public domains!
The Dutch kennel organisation only publish the HD results on the pedigrees of the offspring
And it depends of every breed club if they will publish HD results for their members in club magazines.
And the Dutch CsW club publish the official HD results in their magazine :)

About making X-rays in other countries then where a dog is registered:
In 1991 is made a decision by the scientific committee of the FCI that dogs only can have official HD X-rays in the country where they are registered.
And the HD X-rays and results made in other countries, would not be registered and recognised by official kennel clubs of FCI.

But I don’t know if this rule in the mean time is changed!
Does anyone of you know more about this?

And about age for making X-rays:
The official minimal age for making X-rays is according the Dutch Kennel club (based on the FCI rules) 12 months . (but breed clubs can make their own other decisions in this)
Only for some “big” breeds there is an official rule for minimal age of 18 months (Maremmen mountaindog, Bordeaux Dog, Bullmastiff, German Dog, Landseer E.C.T. , Leonberger, Mastiff, Mastino Napoletano, Newfoundlander, Pyreneen Mountaindog, Sint Bernard)

Wow Mrgo, you can´t write about doctor Sterc. This case is only one on all World. He is maniac.:(

MARGO:lol:

In Germany it is the same systhem as in Sweden and Netherlands. And if you think the result is wrong you have to get new x-rays done at a veterinary radiology of an university that are send to expert-gremium that is different to the usual one.

Ina

Also in Denmark we have same system as in Sweden, Netherlands and Germany ...I am not sure we have public database where ALL HD and ED results is displayed ? but all dogs who are registered in DKK will have all results of HD/ED, mental-tests, dogshows, exams and litters registered in the DKK database.
http://www.hundeweb.dk/dkkcm/public/...=1164742020632

Greetings Rolf