What should we add?
 

Do you have any ideas what is missing on Wolfdog? What should we add? Any suggestions? Ideas? Critics?

There have been critics of the German Kennel Club the last few weeks because of the datas of wolfblood content. We have a difficult climate here in Germany though not as difficult as in England or Norway, but just the words 30% of wolfblood contant may bring us in great difficulties in not so far away future. The Kennel Club asked us if we are crazy to mention them.
Those numbers don´t mean anything but are just numbers I think it would be better not to show them.

Ina

Any news about this feature? It would be great! :D :D

Stefano

I want more adds about : for example trailers for dogs, dogs equipment, cars for dogs :wink: , or adss what have relation to wolfdogs.
And of course: I want % of wolfblood. We have WOLFDOGS.

Y m not agree about yur idea "don t write the % bloodwolf "on this site ...In fact this race have blood wolf too ...(not colley /chihuahua or teckel) please stop to forget this (or put this genetic in a black box)...if yu are afraid about that ...take a german sheperd and not a woldog ....margo please don 't change anything in yur organisation ....y think yu give a lot informations (genetic and genealogie...) with this site and hope keep this professionnel way .... greeting ...furyos

I don´t have any problems with the wolforigin but the percentage of wolfblood-content doesn´t say anything about the real content of wolfgenes it is a fictiv number and nothing else. If you follow this argumentation it would be 100% for absolutely every dog breed.
Example: female (30% wolfblood) x male (30% wolfblood)=offspring with 30%
Offspring with 30% x offspring with 30% = next generation with 30%.
That won´t change as long as we breed them without adding any wolf or other breed. Do you really think a dog with 30% in 50 years will really conain 30% genes of wolfes? I don´t.
Following this example: Absolutely every dog on this world is offspring of wolfs, that means doing ist correctly absolutely every dog has a wolfcontent of 100%.
So for me this percentage of wolfblood doesn´t make any real sense at all but it can cause trouble with stupid people.

I do not understand what you mean, Hanka. You want commercial advertisements on this website? :shock: Even if it is about things for dogs?

Personally I am very happy, that I do not have to watch stupid adds at least on this website, when it flashes at me practically everywhere on the world wide web. :?

Regarding the % of wolf blood, we all know it is only fictive number and does not say anything about the dogs at all. I suppose to make everyone happy, the % of the wolf blood could show only to registered users on certain levels, let´s say breeders and up. Like that not every newbie who just signed up to make problems, will see the number.

It will be showed for the registered user only.
But we though the best solution of this problem can be additional information which will show how many generations are between the specific dog and wolf....
So for example there will be no problem if a dog will be 30% of wolf blood if the distance between him and real wolf will be (for example) 10 generatons... It will show that all our "Wolfdogs" fulfil the requirements even of the most 'restrictive' countries which say "F1-F4 crossings are not allowed"....

About the red x in the database, when you see the offspring list it appears, but when you will see the details of the dog, nothing mention if this dog is alive or death, is needed see in the offspring list of the parent's for know if the dog is live or death, so, why not put this red x in another local in the data of the death dog?
Still about the red x, is a little bit crazy alone think in it, but is still a idea, will be very interessing try to put the moctive of the death, if was by illness, if was naturally etc etc, but I believe, will be very difficult ( or impossible, for the more old dogs)
In the dogs with certificate, someone search for certificate, others search for the dogs, so, will be interessing put a option for search too for certificates, not only for name.

I agree to not show for all people the wolf percentage, that's cut some person who only whant a "wolf" and search a dog by his wolfblood.

Yes, we already though about it and if a dog is death it will be written. Additionally also the date of death and the reason (if we will have such data) will be showed there...

A breeding simulator - namely an option which allows you to predict the wright coefficient of any given cross and maybe gives you a view of the "possible" pedigree of the pups.

I know a lot of people have trouble calculating the wright coefficient and avoiding serious inbreeding in their matings, so this would be something very useful, and probably not too hard to implement as the site already does all of this already.

Yes, good idea. Such program is already finished and working (some breeders use it already). We must just make them "better looking" and it will be given to all registered breeders.... :P

Verified HD results
I know anybody can send HD results.
That's really fine. But...
We "could" add a detail that is the verification of the results.
For example by allowing a link to a scan of the HD certificate or protocol (for those who have it) and add , only for high level registered users, HDA (Ver.) or HDA (-) making difference between verified or unverified results.

I can tell you lunatica is HDA, you will put it on this site but...is it true?
massimo

Massimo you are right :mrgreen: But a lot of people don't have yet scans :(
So it is a bit impossible to check the HD info that owners send us.

But when people are realy interested (for pups ore covering) in a dog, I am sure that they will ask to see all the official papers of the owner! :D

And I hope when there are big diffences with the results published on this site, those people will inform us :D

Mijke

That's why i just ask to put verified or not verified, it's an additional information.
I am speaking even only of scan of certification or pedigree with HD result on it, not necessarily xrays.
look, for example
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...uni/lastre.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../displasia.jpg

You right - we were also looking for solution of this problem... When we made the database it was clear - people send us only info about REAL HD-results. Nobody cheated because it was very easy to check the true.... But now.... :roll: I was really schocked when I get great result from breeders and later an emai from the owner "Sorry but my dog is not HD-A as the breeders wrote but HD-C"...
I'm really disgusted that some breeders are ready to lie even if in their countries there is public registry of HD-results and it is possible to check if the breeder cheats... And sometimes we get false results even from breeders which call themself to be "the top breeders" in their countries... Sad but true... :?

As I told - before such problem didn't exist but now... :roll:

So what we will do?
We are not interested in unofficial results. We do not put them in the database. We are interested ONLY in official HD-results. It means made by veterinarian who have the right to evaluate the hips and their results are accepted by the national kennel clubs and FCI. Such results will be put in the database.... but until the owner will send us the copy of the pedigree or official paper with the HD-result in the database card of his dog will be written "Result not verified" (simply said - the results can be false)....

I think it will finally solve the whole problem of the unhonest people...

That is good idea Margo, I like it. I only wish there also existed some kind of verification of the breeders. So that the future puppy owner could more easily find the difference between honest and not honest breeders. Many breeders are calling themselves "top breeders" on the net, while the reality is often somewhere else, often almost disastrously different.
Lol, I´d love to see "breeder not verified" at some of those!
:rofl3

ehm...HD data "theoretically" is certifiable. By this I mean that even with certificates I am never 100% sure about the results, it's easy to cheat, sometimes different countries have different measuring values.
But at least there is a certification and therefore somebody who signs a sheet and takes responsibility for the certification.
For breeders...unfortunately you can only try for yourself.
WHO can certify "good" or "bad" breeder?
too many personal interests and sympathies i'm afraid....
massimo

Margo....do you think to put country of Certification would be exaggerated?....

Of course you can´t do that. I was joking :wink: But it would be lovely, if it was possible, would not it.

Well, I'm not sure...8) There could be some kind of a ranking of breeders... People could write their comments and impressions about the kennels, the pups, etc. and the admins (or people whom they trust) could either publicise them anoymously or add a plus or a minus for every positive/negative remark. Of course one could never trust those rankings completely, but they could provide a kind of general guidance... A single comment would not have much value - even if negative - it could be just a result of some misunderstanding, but if something was repeated several times by various people, it might warn potential buyer and in result ...

Maybe a little poll for pup buyers would be a good idea? :ehmmm

:oops: Tina pressed the ENTER button... sorry...

... in result the potential pup buyers would have some sort of guidance and the breeders motivation to keep breeding standards.

If you allow me to express my opinion, I am against "breeder ranking"
too subjective...not everbody looks on internet..
Opinions can be expressed on WD forum, no problem.
But if you post "ranking" on this site..i do not think it can be an "absolute" value.
massimo

I think not: for unhonest people is VERY VERY EASY to make false copy of any certificate...just using a scanner and photoshop, they don't have to be computer-genious!

On the other hand this rules only complicates a bit more the life of honest people.

Unfortunately, the world is getting more and more complicated for honest people in every aspect, whether it is certifying the HD results or getting on a plane. But posting false results and forging false certificate requires different levels of dishonesty, so let's hope it helps at least a bit.

By the way, I like your animated avatar, may I use your idea?

:D of course!

I agree with you... :mrgreen: We thought YEARS about it and tried MANY solutions.... but no GOOD solution was found... It would be great idea to make something like this but I do not find any good way to make it.... We could tell the puppy owners from specific kennel to evaluate the breeder. But you know the owners mostly say the best things because if they say something wrong about the breeder at the same time they confirm they buyed a dog from irresponsible breeder. And nobody want write something bad about his own dog.... :?

So all we can do is to leave the possibility for people to ask about it on forum....

It is possible but is make no sense.... because we see the differences are not between countries but between vets... Even in one country you can see different evaluations.... And yes, it would be possible to add such info - name of the vet who evaluated the hips...

Yes, it is complicated in some countries because there is no common registry... In CZ we do not ask every owner to send the copy of the results because we get the list of official results from the club. Similar is in Germany - some results we have already from VDH-breeding books. It is also enough because it is OFFICIAL. In Italy you have the nice official listings for dogs where you can see offsprings results...

For other - yes. It is more complicated than before (but many people sent us the copies already before). But it is not such huge problem - we will put all sent results as we've done it till now.... The only difference will be the info "verified" - noone MUST verified it... But "virified" means we have the copy of the certificate...

About the false copies - the results are recorded in the registries. It there will be a case that someone send us FALSE copy and we will descover it the person will be baned from Wolfdog.org lifelong. We will make also nice topic "PUPPY BUYER S BEWARE OF THE KENNEL xxxx". :twisted: I promise you... We really have the ways to check it and we save all send copies.... So it really make no sense to make something like this... 8)

...simply perfect! :klatsch :klatsch :bussi

ABOUT PHOTOS:
i understand we will be able to upload photos ourselves.
1) who checks photos uploaded? have you thought about a team for each language that checks that content of uploaded photos is not... OFF TOPIC? :shock: :mrgreen:
2) have you also thought about managing the photos of your own dogs?
i mean, i know it can seem stupid but, if you allow me to upload a photo on for example Balrog's photogallery and I change the photo editing it making him look like a donkey, who can undo such upload? can each of us (with a certain authorisation level of course) take away photos we don't like if they are of our own dogs?
isn't there a chance of caos if all this checking and modifying is made only by webmasters?
again I repeat, i am ready to help if you ask..
massimo

Hello :D

Regarding the photos:
If it is indeed the plan members will be able to upload photo's themselves...maybe it's also a good idea to allow only a certain amount of photo's? Photo's take up a lot of space...

I also believe Massimo has a good point: is someone or a team going to check the photo's? I'm also ready to help, if needed.

Kind regards,
Patty

My suggestion: to stop advertising litters from dogs without bonitation codes. Look at some litters on sale now - that's not from wolfdogs! Maybe from some new breed or disqualified GSD :shock: And people can think that's the way normal CsW should look like. Let's stop helping in breedeng ugly P14! :twisted:

Good remember that one false copy of the result will give some problems for the breeders with the veterinarian who make the result, that will never allow this happen without take the correct providences with the justice. :twisted:

The idea is excelent, but the problem is that not all countries already have conditions to make the bonitation, or have few dogs, or have few breeders in far countries case, but, will be great if put why the dog still have no bonitation, if is because have no condition or because the breeder not want, if have no condition, will be easy to understand why and confirm it, if is because the breeder not want, will be dificult it gives a good and efficient excuse. :mrgreen:

sorry but it's not sufficient to have bonitation to be good breeder..and on the other side not only those who mate bonitated dogs are good.
Sometimes bonitations are not held everywere.
I know many good litters from good breeders with NO official adult bonitations made...no witchhunt please.
massimo

Excuse me, who decided they're good? Some judge on dog-show who had read standard for the 1st time 5 minutes before?

The only way to state some dog is good or not is its bonitation code.

I'm not an expert, but even I can easily find a lot of disqualifying features in dogs whos puppies are on sale now. Some of them have empty pedigrees. I would like to see our site more "professional". And breeders who don't care about breed regulations could sell their "products" in some other place.

Natalya, dearest, in order to express better my statement I kindly ask you first of all to write down (to yourself, not to me...) the names of the 5-10 best CSW breeders you think you know..
then look at all their litters and then tell me how many remain "good" according "just" to the presence of adult bonitation codes of parents or grandparents.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

massimo

massimo, I agree with you, CzW puppies are some kind of "lottery" and P1 parents don't guarantee P1 puppies. BUT what with bad parents (which hardly can be called CzW) our site advertises now? Yes, there is a small chance puppies will be good. But what chance? A kind of miracle?

And we're speaking about beauty only. If we mention character.... Some people who see CzW of non-Czech breeding are sure that the breed is shy, nervous and so on because "wolves shoud be shy and be afraid of people".

I'm not going to flood in this topic anymore (probably we can start new topic and discuss this problem there), Margo asked what should we add and I suggested what we should exclude :)

Hi Natalya,

I fully agree with you that many judges have major problems with the breed standart.
And I agree with you that the bonitation code should be a parameter
for the exteriour and character of the dog.
Should be....
I for example travelled 1000km for a stud dog to find out that this dog with the code A70OfP1 was not more than A68M5E1F2OfPwhat ever. But that's another story.
Of course wolfdogs shouldn't be shy and afraid of people.
But I disagree with you that these dogs are from non-Czech breeding. Believe me, I know many dogs in Slovakia, Poland, Italy, Germany, ec. which are not shy at all.
And I know dogs fom Czech breeding which frighten theirselves to death confronted with people and other things.

Regards,

Michael

You are right on this one, Michael. I too saw very shy dogs in CR, or in Slovakia, same as dogs from France, Netherlands or Belgium.

The problem is in people. Not in the breeding, but in the breeders (not socialising pups at all) and then of course in the owners (not socialising again).

Often the breeder does not say truth about socialising - needs of the pup, in the hope to sell pups faster, easier etc. Some breeders do not help the owners of their pups, when they have problems.. Some do tell them it is normal, if the wolfdog is shy..

Some owners on the contrary, do not listen to their breeders. They refuse the advices, they think they know better. Or they get the dog for its beauty, but they don´t respect its needs and when the dog becomes shy.. they say that´s the wolf in it, see?

It is all about people. And it happens in all countries. I only must say, that I still saw larger amount of self-confident dogs in CR and SR, than in other countries.

Coming back to the argument "what should we add":
I would like to ask if it's possible to make a reserch on Dog shows BY JUDGE.
I would like to search dog shows made by a certain judge and to know "how" he judges.
Is it possible?
massimo

I have see that some dogs have only the name, without the kennel name, too if they born in registred kennels, the kennel name only appears when you chek the data of the dog and see in the "breeder", but not appear in the name of the dog.
Exemple, the name of the dog complet is " fifi of kennel afix" but in the link and in the dog name only appear " fifi" and for see which kennel it comes, you have to see the " breeder", in the data-base of this dog.
So, can be that this happen because the people, when will add a dog in DataBase, in the local that is write " dog name" put only the name of the dog without the affix name ( not put the complet name), is possible that one "auto-explained ballon" when the people stop the mause in the local which will write the name of the dog can help in these cases, what you think about?

Another thing, one search for dogs by country, as have the stud dogs list, the idea is make the same but with males and females and with all dogs existents by country, not only the studs, is it possible??
One exemple that have, if not deceif-me, 16 dogs in Spain, I only know who are 6 of these 16, the others I never find in dataBase.

And...

The big bad Przemek stole our menu! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: ... :mrgreen:
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/815...domenu1rc6.jpg

But if you post "ranking" on this site..i do not think it can be an "absolute" value.
massimo[/quote]


If it's possible, Margo could add a kind of "feedback" of the owners about their breeders, obviously with the reason for the vote and the sign..
It will not be a value for breeding, but only for breeder..
HI Stefano

I am a bit late, sorry, I know, but what Ina Eichhorn wrote that the wolf percentage should not be shown over here, because in germany there can be problems, is something to be laugh at! Hanka is right, these are all wonderful wolfdogs and if people like the breeder Zlata Paltz would not do as if the csw are only Labrador or Golden Retriver there would not be problems. In germany there are no problems with wolfdogs, only in the head and mind of Ina Eichhorn.

How can a person like her say such things. People who give her wolfdogs for doing a film in german television where their dogs eat a man´s arm because they were hungry? People like them are doing everything for money. The film came on RTL where a lot of people are watching it! How can a person like her can talk over problems, if they made the problems, showing csw on TV who are eating human beings because of hunger?

And what should this mean in every dog is 100% wolf? That is really a pity if a veterinarian like she is is talking such wrong things. I think that she doesn´t know that dogs like the german Kurzhaar a hunting dog is 500 generations behind the wolf.

NO, everyone who has a csw wants to know more about his csw! And therefore it is very good that one can get this information here. In the united states there is made the difference betwenn low-middle-high content wolfblood. I think she knows nothing or is talking dirty. CSW with only around 30 % is low content wolfblood, it is a funny thing not a wolf!

sorry, but I am very angry about people who are talking with such two faces like family Eichhorn is doing!

Nice weekend

Christian

And the funny thing is, not the german kennel club says, but Ina, because Ina is the german kennel club(!). She is the second president (sorry don´t know the right name now), but in reality she is the woman who makes the politics in the club and she is the one who means to be the chief of all german csws! That is why there is a new second csw club founded last year in germany, who has in his name the word for free the free german csw club! Der Freie Club für TWHs. I think everyone knows why this is club is named "free". No one wants that only one person means to be chief of stuff and of course not a person who is talking with two voices.

Good night

Christian

The wolf percentage is only matematic, not garantee about the genetic, you can have a 50% wolf hibrid and have in truth one "german sheepheard" at house, that's is very common to happen, ones born a lot wolf, and others dogs a lot, but all litter receive the 50% of wolf matematically even if the genetic show a dog for you. ( not only with wolfdogs but with all mix betwen 2 differents breeds)
I not think that the problem of the wolf percentage can cause only problems in Germany, but in all world, some people want to have a "wolf" at home, in some locals haven't wolf-hybrids but have Czechoslovakian wolfdogs and Saarloos breeders, that are the breed who these people will search first, and will give a lot of attention at the matematical wolf percentage that show in the breders site and too in these site, I think, no one breeders that like this breed want that this happen.
Remembering of one very common case, when the film " white fang" was show, some people have looked for have his own " white fang" quickly, the important was seems a wolf and have a wolf percentage, some of these people never have a dog, some not have experience, and more nor give attention for the particularity behaviour of these dogs/hybrids, one year after that we have some huskys and wolf hybrids abandonated, deaths at road, free in the florest and some cases of attacks.
Because this in my oppinion not show the wolf percentage for all people can save this breed of one fashion , can save the breed for some stupid people who only want have a wolf pet for show to a friends, without know about the behavior, but this not means that will be needed take out all things who talk about the wolf percentage or the percentage of all dogs, but, why not put it possible to see only for breeders?
So, I ever think that Czechoslovakian wolfdogs are a work dog breed, recognized like that by FCI, not one wolf hybrid for give all this importance for the wolf percentage.
The people who breed hybrids, give a lot of attention at that, someone because when more wolf more expensive the people who want will have to pay, more money the "breeder" win, others because want really have a wolf, but cannot have it at home, so, they make high content hybrids for have his "own wolf".
The Czechoslovakian wolfdog nor wolfdog is, if not deceif-me, the correct translation of the name is "wolf like" not "wolfdog", if the CzW is a wolfdog because of the percentage of wolf, others breeds will have to be too. :wink:

Greetings

Paula

Christian, as somebody already tryed to explain to you on the German forum that the words German Kennel Club don´t mean Club for Czechoslowakian Wolfdogs but VDH. Or do you think I do make politics in the English Kennel Club or the American Kennel Club too?
It would be nice if you kept your personal problems at least out of this forum. I did write a German translation of my suggestion here on the Club forum www.twhclub.de (that has an English forum too by the way), maybe this could help you at least with the translation though for sure not with the rest of your problems. Sad enough that I had to do this.

Ina

Hello Nebulosa,

I thought the solution that Margo made to make the wolfpercentage only visible for specially registered users a very good one that is very fine with me.
There is one more problem that was originally the reason for my suggestion. There are countries like the UK or Norway where CZW are recognised as hybrids and therefor not handled as normal dogs. We have a very hysterical climate in Germany regarding Dangerous Dog laws. The wolfpercentage surely doesn´t help with the officials that want to show action out of political reasons or with irresponsible people like the ones you described.

Ina

So if you meant the VdH why you didn´t wirte it? Margo and the others know the name of the german federation! And it is not a "club" but a federation! I didn´t know that you are now allowed to talk about what the vdh means because of csw? So german kennel club could only mean TWHClub!

Hyertical Problems about dog laws in germany? Sorry, could it be that you are 7 years behind????? We have in these days no problems with dangerous dogs because you can not find on the streets dangerous dogs!

Nebolusa, if I remeber right you are a young girl with the age around twenty? Please correct me, if I am wrong! So my question, do you have dogs, hyrbids, wolfdogs or wolves? So, we have wolfdogs and everyone who is honest is interested in the wolfblood percentage! And so if you don´t recognize yet, we have fci-breed! And why do we have this? Because csw are dogs!

And this is the best dog homepage in the world because there is no other who is so actuel, new, informative and you get picture to the dogs, all information what is needed!

Sorry, maybe some people want to make the csw more interessing than they are, could it be what is behind this wish to cancel the informations about wolfblood percentage?

And please Nebulosa don´t mind, I have read all about hybrids, wolfdogs what is on the market. I am in with german wolfdog and hybrid people. Maybe it is information for others but don´t make things more worth than they are in germany. Everybody is looking with a big smile at our wolfdogs, even in the city and of course in the big cities! But it is what it is, a wolfdog! A csw is prepaired for working for having sports and fun all day long. It is not a monster or something like this. But if you don´t work with a csw it could be a monster, like every dogbreed.

Hope you understand what I mean. I don´t want to fight you, but we are in my homecountry and I doubt that you know what is going on here.

Nice weekend encore

Christian

Please talk like you think. If you think other than you talk please than it is better to don´t talk and keep quiet. I hate people who are talking with two voices!

hyercal means hysterical!

Sorry, christian

Then you should keep quiet cause you change your mind about twice a day.
As I wrote you before it would be nice if you could manage to keep your personal problems out of the English Forum. I also really don´t know why I should care for your problems with the meanings of the words Kennel Club you can´t expect people from for example Brazil to know the VDH. This discussion is pretty much off topic and absurd.
It is people like you who need the wolfcontent to feel important that ruin the images of breeds and cause discussions about showing it. No matter how old Nebulosa is she is obviously right.

Ina

please if you Christian and Ina have personal matters to discuss about please do it in private or choose a new thread, it has NOTHING to do with this thread.
Margo, can you take this part out of here?
I don't know about other readers but I am personally not interested in what Christian thinks about Ina's decisions and opinions here in this thread.
Christian, can I kindly invite you to stop? feel free to open a new discussion if you wish, but no OT please!

Danke! :wink:
Massimo

Massimo, you are absolutely right. I apologise and promise to ignore it in future. One German wolfdog.org forum is already more than anybody needs :wink:

Ina

It's not the first time somebody discredits Paula's views by mentioning her age, as it was a valid argument in a discussion :twisted:

Paula, why don't you tell them the truth, i.e. that in reality you are a man over 60, with grey hair and long beard... :P :wink: :mrgreen:

It seems being young is a serious disadvantage for some individulas and one is not supposed to feel strongly about anything if not old enough.... :twisted:

To Natalyja: You are absolutely right. Stop adds with puppies from parents without bonitations, X-ray results, without second name of kennel. But I think, it is not possible. Margo needs informations to database, so she (and Przemek) needs info from theese "breeders" too. Unfortunately. I know, it is not Wolfdog, but "wolfdog" only :( :( :(

As far as I know it is nothing special to have no kennel name in Italy if you only have a small kennel. Maybe Massimo can say more.

You ruin my secret!!!!!!
:heul :heul :heul :heul :heul :heul
What secret my you want ruin now? that I work as Noel in december.... ops :o :mrgreen:





:lol: :lol:

Hi Massimo,

it is a real pity that someone like Ina uses the term which is interesting for us germans and write it down here in the english version. Why did she do it, isn´t she able to talk and write german any more? Sorry, she gives the reason for her wish that wolfblood percentage should not be written on wolfdog, because after her opinion there are problems with csw in germany! And Massimo that is from the point of view a german problem, but doesn´t she make this as a them on the german part of wolfdog?

So, I think that everyone should know that it is her personal opinion! And of course she brought the "german problems" in here in the english version. Sure Ina, you are absolutely right, one german version of wolfdog is enough, but why do you write than here in the english version?

Christian

Sorry, Neblousa, Rona, although this is internet I like to know with whom I am talking to! And sorry to say, although I am a great fan of theoretical thoughts the practise side is important, more important. And that is, why I ask about nebulosa who she is and what knowledge she has. And please think about all the people who are new in here, I think they too want to know what person is behind "good thoughts". And sorry to say, someone from south america what can he know about dogs, wolfdogs and wolves in germany?

Neboulsa my mum comes from Ecuador, not far aqy from your country!

Christian

Hi, I think you not understand Ina, never here was talked about the Germany wolves and wolfdogs situation, but the world situation, can be that she use Germany as exemple, because she live in Germany. :wink:
That is truth, how can I talk about the Germany situation if I nor live in Germany!
But we have talk here ever about the world situation of the wolfdogs, that really isn't good.
This site is a guide for one huge quantity of persons in all world, some of then lives in countrys which already have big problems with wolfdogs and wolf content as UK, the CzW was forbiden in some of these countrys because it is a "wolfdog" with some " wolfcontent" and for that is "dangerous".
If not deceif-me, for you have a CzW in UK, you need a licence to have wild animals :shock: all this because CzW are "wolfdogs".

I agree complete with Margo, Nebulosa, Ina and many others, not to publish in public the wolfblood percentage.
Because several reasons:
•The wolf percentage is only mathematic, and does not guarantee anything about the real genetic percentage of the dog.

•Incompetent readers (who does not know enough about genetics) can use this info as a reason for making all kind of (stupid) rules, why it is not possible to keep a CsW as a normal pet.

•And because people can abuse this information to make the CsW more special/interesting for unknown people who want to have a “wild animal” (but don’t have the possibility’s for this) Even in Holland somebody was advertising the CsW as: ”a dog with still 30% wolf in it”

I am very honest, but I am not interested!! :D Because for me a CsW is a normal dog like other FCI recognised breeds. And it is my favourite breed because of their natural behaviour and their appearance.
And all interested people in CsW puppy’s I am always explaining that the wolfblood percentage is not to count and is not interesting and it is only for fun!
What really matters when people look for good puppies is a good combination (in behaviour, exterior and hips) and not the wolfblood percentage!! :roll:

When I did want to have a dog that is more wolf, I would look for a hybrid from first crossing. :wink:
And by the way, can you count all the genes of your own CsW? Only then, you can say the real wolfblood percentage :mrgreen:

We should we add sooner a new "PHOTOS" section in itlaian forum :mrgreen:

I want to see really working results (FCI) not any training results.
:D

what should we add?
 

Hi !

I think you should add all titles that I have send for admin many many times ....even that they are Danish titles or do you have any restrictions on Danish titles ??? ...I have send all info that admin asked of me(link to list of all DKKV06-title winners), but only some of Uno`s Danish show titles is addet ....why ? ofcourse Czech titles is addet straight away, even that I have send Danish title DKKV06 long time before I was at show in Czech rep.

...If there is any restrictions on Danish titles I would very much like to know ! :)

I write this here course I get no answer when I write direct to admin ? :(

Greetings Rolf & Uno

I think we all are waiting most for the better gallery, where people can finally upload photos by themselves and faster.
It is no use to discuss what all could be changed, when there are changes that we were promised years ago and still nothing happened.

Hello,
In 2008 and 2009 I will sterilise 2 of my 3 females.
Wouldn't it be good to put a pictogram near those females in the database to inform everybody that they don't have any puppies anymore?
I think the year is important too.

It's the same idea as for dead CSW " with a red X"

Or make a list (like the stud dogs) of breeding females?

Greatings
Patrick