Messaggio per l admin
 

la prossima volta prenditi un cane brutto eheheheheheh

Oh come ti capisco Jess, ma temo sia fiato..uhm, polpastrelli sprecati.

:lol:
Concordo.

French mixes
 

Dear Mr. Admin,
my name is Jessica and I have a dog (Gunner) that You have called "MIX" in the database ... without having any evidence.
The first pictures of my dog ​​into the database of the site, I have not put myself, but YOU put stealing my photos from facebook without asking my permission and I find it a very bad action. But I let it go.
Now I choose my photos and I put my dog ​​in the database (updating them often), and you continue to STEAL my photos from MY albums on Facebook. Why?
The action you are doing is very disrespectful ... And I do not like, so please STOP!
Thank you.

Jessica

Sorry for my English ...

There is well based evidency that your dog (and many other from the "French Crying Wolf" lines) are mixes. We are still waiting for the kennel clubs in the specific countries to verify the pedigrees - if they will not make it it will be against the FCI rules which force the member countries to garanty that the parents/grandparents written in the pedigrees are the real parents of the specific dog.
If the national kennels clybs will not make it we will move it on the higher level and solve it by FCI directly.

On the other side - your dog do not even resemble a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. Why do you want to convice anybody that he is a CsW when even a beginners can see that he is a cross of some breeds? What is is for? Nobody is against KEEPING the mixes but they have nothing common wit this breed and their breeding under the name of "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog" must be stoped.

Yes, it is possible. In many cases we get photos from people who take photos of all dogs during meetings, shows and other events.
If the new photo is better than the old one which we have in the database - we replace it.

The father of your animal, Demoniak is a mix as well as the mother Doz.
I wasn't quite good in maths, but 1 + 1 = 2.
In other terms, mix + mix = mix.
So why complaining about pure facts...
Either you where cheated by your breeder or you know about the origin of your animal.
In the second case, no complaints please.
It would be very kind if you could answer me the following question.
Why did you choose this animal from this certain line?

Ciao,
Michael

I will not convince anyone. I live my life with my dogs without me so many problems. I have always said that if in future there will be evidence that my dog ​​is a mix, ok, I accept. But until you have evidence you can not write what you want just because you're the admin. It is misconduct! Anyway, the keynote speech for which I have not contacted it. You steal my photos from Facebook and does not suit me! The first photo that you were not put event or show ... But my dog ​​at my house! The photos I posted on facebook! But do not you ashamed?!?! You understand that you have to stop?

Micheal....Yet I seemed to have written that the message was for the admin... Bah....


I'll be brief ...
I chose because I really like those parents. And I'm not complaining about my dog, now or ever! ;)

Hi there,
there is a problem with your dog, because it IS a mix, demoniak is not pure breed. it is a mix also. but I agree, that stealing photos from FB isnt correct.

Jessica, since this is an open forum I was so free participating;-)...
And indeed, not only the admin calls your animal and his litter mates mixes, me and most of the at least sensible "wolfdog world" too.
Maybe the first part of your posting, if you let others participate;-) in this topic, gives us the chance to reveal the veil of mystery about these mixes...
So don't be cross and drop out of the discussion.
Sorry if you got me wrong, I didn't mean complaints about your Gunner in personal but him being called a mix for obvious reasons.

Ciao,
Michael

No one sayd, you can not love your dog, because he is a mix, but everyone can see, that THIS isnt a CsW. and never be... contact your breeder, do tests and you will see. Demoniak and also the mother are mixes... your dog is nice, is good, but isnt havin with pure csw anything at all. you were chaeted by your breeder.

Dites donc madame Leila !!!!!!
Avez vous vu demoniak en mix ici sur la base de donnees , ? ? ?
Non je ne crois pas! !!! Alors inutile d'en rajouter s'il vous plait! !! Ok ?

J'ai assez de chiens en mix! Pas besoin d'un chien supplementaire !!!!!

Melez vous donc de vos f. . . Et de vos chiens ok ?

Dear Mr. Koomak.
At first - use translator, or write in english, because I do not understand you.
And second - thank you for asking, my wolfdogs are OK and their pedigree also, because they are both from old slovakian lines and NO mixes ;)

Sorry but I do not want to Speaking with you. . .:-(

OK, so why did you ask me something in you prevous thread? ;) I do not have any problems with you or your dogs, Im just saying, what im thinkin´ And if I'm wrong, im sorry, but the dog does not look like a csw and that is true. If you look at him you must see the differences between a standard csw and non standard csw... that is my point here. Demoniak is sure a beautiful male!!! i love him, but there are doubts about his origin...

The only thing I want is for the admin to stop stealing my photos from facebook! ;-)

On est sur le forum FRANCAIS donc merci d'écrire en français, nous quand on va sur le forul anglais on écrit en anglais donc merci!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have doubts, but you have no proof. It is serious to say when you don't know :-(. Demoniak Diamond is champion of France, supported by foreign judges! It is perfect in the standard

ben oui, en plus le sujet est egalement sur le forum anglais, et elle vient justement comme par hasard repondre sur le forum francais et en plus elle exige reponses en anglais :-(

And you complained about your Gunner being called a mix...
So I don't understand why we upset you by keeping that certain ball rolling.

Ciao,
Michael

me suis trompé de post

oups !!!!!!!!

Non Christophe, ce nest pas une erreur ce post etait sur le forum francais, ils ont basculé sur le forum anglais, il faut donc repondre en anglais maintenant :-)

That means absolutely nothing.
I hope you don't believe what you are writing.

And how do you know that he is perfect in the standard?
Is he bonitated and what is his bonitation code?

He is of course a nice animal, but he's not a purebred CSW.
Can you tell me why Mr Capiez started mixing Saarloos, Wolf Hybrids and CSW's?
Did he tell you when you purchased your animal?
And the same goes for Doz too.

Regards,
Michael

ello I am the owner of Doz and Demoniak. Nobody has the right to say that my dogs are mix! ! Neither you nor the admin! ! Nobody has proof! ! DNA tests are currently underway to Doz and Diamond! ! If my dogs are ok then mix! ! No problem, we have to say that they mix! ! But otherwise I hope to have great excuses! ! Demoniak Diamond is champion of France, it is perfect for the standard! ! Doz is confirmed by a foreign judge! !! The French go to the court Wolfdog! because nothing is normal here! ! One would think the Gestapo! !

I'm not complaining! I only said it has no evidence to say that my dog is a mix!
I complaining because the admin takes my picture without asking my permission from Facebook!
understand?
is for this reason that I opened the thread!!!!!

Thanks for filling my Friday morning with humor :shock: :lol:

Wait for DNA testing ok? Then we can talk! !!!!!!!

yes yes yes yes yes PERFECT FOR THE STANDARD !!!!!!!!;-)

Who is taking the DNA test? Committee or private owner?

Why? Or is the difference? These are vétéritaires which tests can be'll ,
tell you that veterinarians are not honest men?:shock:

I'm officially reporting this post to Moderator/Admin!!!:x

This person does not know what she's writing about! Using Nazi nomenclature and concepts to discredit somebody is far beyond any decent or ethical behaviour on any froum :(

thank you for your answer but are you seriously generalizing an entire group of people based on profession? Next I should say are all librarians honest people? Doctors? Secretaries? :|

But do you realize?
All this fuss just because I asked admin to stop stealing my photos from facebook??
And moreover does not even deign to reply .... am speechless!

How do you know it was Admin and not somebody else, who downloaded the photos from your FB and sent to wolfdog.org? How can Admin know where the photos have been taken from? If somebody posts photos he assumes they were taken by the sender and how can he verify this? I'm sure he'll remove them if you ask and send their precise addresses, as he stated many times earlier.

Do you seriously think Admin, while working of WD database (!) :roll:, would have enough time to look at all photos of all dogs of all owners who publish them in the whole Intrernet and steal just yours? :shock:

I'd advise you to use a bit of common sense before you accuse somebody and use words like "stealing". ...or maybe also check who has access to your FB photos. :rock_3

I had already asked the admin to stop time ago ... but he did not. Every 15 days I'll add pictures of my dog. Do not fit the picture? He must choose them?

By a foreing judge who we all are sure that had no idea about how should look like an CzW.

Every judge who havent disqualified your dog at shows should have his opinion simply ignored by any ethical breeder who have an small idea about breed standard.

So if you're not sure wether they're mixes or not, why did you mate them before the DNA test results?

Michael

OK, that is good... but I think you did say this about one year ago to, but still there is no DNA test...

And so people can not say it is a fake DNA test result...
Please do it at a place where people can see it be done ( dog show, club meeting... ) and let the veterinarian or member of the club send it to a lab.

Good Luck / Mikael

Mixes: de la Louve Blanche (France)
 

That mean (!_?_!) after the name of a dog, and why my bitche has that

I post still the result of the test DNA of relationship, Darwen is well the daughter of Volos

http://fotoforum.fr/photos/2011/10/05.95.jpg

Hi,

did you test the mother as well?

She died when my bitch was still young

I think you realize that the test of a single parent has little meaning? Also because it is always the mother that there were doubts...no photo, nobody had never seen...

Thanks for your reply.

Honni soit qui mal y pense ;)...

Michael

You speak without knowing, I have photos of puppies and even a video made by one friends which has the brother of my bitch. He saw the mother Yvanka and every puppies.

On the video Darwen is the one in the foreground which eats all the time LOL

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x94...rs-pas_animals

And has 1mn18s of the video the bitch who run in leash is Yvanka

Is it possible to test another offspring from another sire (not Volos CW) but the same listed mother (Yvanka) to determine the likelihood that they are half siblings?

Laboklin does not make this test and I do not know a laboratory who make it.

I know that for human this test is very expensive so if I find a laboratory which made it I do not want to pay 300 or 400 euro just for rumour.

I do not understand why Darwen would not be the daughter of Yvanka, a friend saw the 8 puppies with their mother.

Didn't you see the mother with her puppies???
Normally the puppies are with her mother at the time you pick them up.
And the other thing is, frankly said, the breeder of your dog is definitely not an honest man.
He is one of the people responsible for the mess in French breeding.
And in the next future not only in French breeding...

Michael

I did not see the mother because Frank brought me Darwen in Paris so that it is less far for me. I had very often photos of my bitch to see her evolution when she was still has the breeding regrettably I do not have them any more.

But my friend who made the video saw all puppies, during the video and also saw Darwen when he has pick his puppy.

There is a problem because the (littermate?) of your dog - Demoniak Diamond - is for sure not a purebreed CsW and his puppies show it already clearly - not even one of them remind a CsW.

Because of it the whole litter is "suspicious" - especially that in that time your breeder published ad about litter in internet - on the photos was showed black American Wolfdog with puppies.

So there are several possibilities:
- the whole litters is fraud - the father is Volos but the mother is that AWD
- there are two litters of Volos put together - of Yvanka + puppies of the AWD-female (Demoniak?) - some puppies are pure and some are mixes
- the breeder is ok and according to his words the whole responsibility carry the Crying Wolf dogs. In this case we come back to the question who is the father of Volos - if HE is purebreed CsW. Or maybe really a Saarloos-mix.

So maybe only one of few dogs from this litter are crosses or the father Volos is not purebreed but both things make the whole litter suspicious. I hope you understand it and you will try to help us to solve the problem.

Have a look at the date of birth of the D-litter "de la Louve Blanche",
it's May 7th.
Exactly the time when wolves or high content wolf hybrids are born.
So it should be no problem to mix two litters.

I agree to help you but I can do nothing.
I made the test of relationship on Volos but I cannot make it on a died dog and Volos and Galiba is not my dogs so I can make nothing but I do not find that Volos and Sibir it looks like and nobody puppies of Volos look like has Sibir.

I saw the ad and I think that it is just an image taken on internet and not a wolf he has.

Michael I had suggested you coming to see my bitch, you would have been able to see that she is very pure and also to see a small son of Lorenz Farouk.

Jane-Laure, you published here a certificate showing that Volos is the father of Darwen. Did you go to meet Volos, took a hair (genmaterial) from him and gave this hair with genmaterial from Darwen to a laboratory to compare this? Or where did you get the certificate from?

I heard that Franky offers certificates which should prove that his litter is a pure bred csw litter. But if you did not see that this particular hair was from Volos and this hair was checked out, this certificate is werth nothing!

On some pics one can see that Darwen has big paws, like csw would not have. She looks somehow similar to Demoniak, only being a female.

There is a black tame wolvin in France.

And double matings are common by some breeders. And please always remind that Frankie does not breed by himself! He only have males, Volos and Yarl and his son has Wolveryn.

In C-litter you can find that double mating too. Ckynai and C´Pouchka have an american wolfdog father, but others from this litter look like pure bred csw.

Frankie published already in 2006 advertisement of american wolfdogs in france internet, but trying to sell "pure" csw. So Frankie has his "history" in that.

He can breed or better let us say "let others breed under his kennel name" what he wants but should not fake the official fci papers!

Christian