Iberian wolfdog crosses
 

You should increase your figths to spain: As it looks there are csw mixes with iberian wolf. Here a iberian wolfdog cross could look like:
http://www.wolfdog.org/site/de/dbase/d/15715

and here a picture from an iberian wolf. Can you see how similar they do look in their optical appearance like the same color on the legs?

I did already ask Margo for that and send her the pics from iberian wolves for comparison, but I never got an answer. Maybe now?

I forgot that some people see only the dog side
that aspect wolf has NEVER been one of the criteria for selection of their dogs.
I am stupid .......

Why should it???

What has this dog?
put some color in some lines would not hurt

It is crazy, you see of the wolf everywhere, the syndrome of the little red riding hoot??

Color of Iberian wolf, hahahaha.

By the way, everybody knows that Dia Kollo Dvora seems not to be what was written in papers. Arleen and Baron Spod diumiera are (were Baron) to wolfy in behavior and outlook. And Dia showed in all her behavior especially during birth to much wolf behavior.

So what? You guys all ran to take Baron for breeding many many times! And in the end, he had DM! There are the same rumours on the road, as now with Demoniak and others. And so I start a new rumour, about the spanish csw. Is he a mix? Can you show us the gene test from his parents confirming that he is a pure csw? Lol.

You guys are really funny.

And I will always remember to the VDH-FCI Show in december 2005 in Kassel germany. Michael Eichhorn presented Baron spod Diumiera during the show beside the ring to me and some others. He says with pride, look at Baron, isn´t he doing good here in the halls? He has no fear and is calm.

Yes he was. Now many years later remembering to the behavior and acting of Baron, living with 6 wofldogs (4 of them american wds) knowing much more about wolves, high contents I can confirm, yes, Baron was doing ok - for a F 1 or F2 mid content wolfdog hybrid.

I know Demoniak too personally from World dog Show 2010 in Denmark. And what can I say, he was a very friendly dog who was not afraid of nothing. Although he did not know me he came to me and smelled at me. Only the judge, 1,90 m, 100 kg, hard in handling him, he did not like, but that was ok.

So why Michael was especially talking about the timid but not shy behavior of Baron? He was a csw, there is nothing special to go to shows in halls - if the csw is a pure csw.

Exactly like people who tried to communicate with the French in English on their forum were "invalid in French" 8). But there was no mercy for them there- they were told off in a very rude way and called bad-mannered!:evil:

I'm not really understanding you. But for the record: If you are saying Baron if a mix, and it's proven reasonably to be true, I have no problem with calling my dog a mix and keeping him as a mutt and removing him from reproducing..which aren't in my plans anyway.

And second, what is the point of the post? Are you advocating against the keeping of true records and the confirmation of real parentage in questionable cases?

:lol: Christian, you are so funny...

I did only meet Baron 2 times, but I can say he´s not anyting like a F1 or F2 or even F3-F5...

Maybe you are missjudging becouse of that your AWD are not really High contant at all ;)

However... if I was to judge Baron, I would put him closer to GSD than Wolf...

But I gues that is not what this is all about, it´s about talking bad about Ina and Michael Eichhorn again... well well in that case I can only feel sorry for you, as we have all moved on :rock_3

Sad regards / Mikael

Christian will you tell who is pure breed and looking like standard csv?

How many hybrid have passed FCI Character test?
I don´t know so many normal csv who can do it.

AND HE is stiil alive whit DM.... if some one needs DNA that is it in laboklin, Doggenes bank and i can send more samples.....

Oh, he is still alive? People tell the story that he is dead. Fine.

Mikael, make a turn around, how many wolfdogs did you met who are F 1 - F 4? That is the point the difference between a F 2 and a F 6 is not that far as some people want to make you believe!

I will not tell you what Noomi and Nuno and the rest of my family are. Maybe you should compare them with some wolves, hahahaha.

No, Mikael, as I wrote, people who are sitting in the glashouse should not throw with stones.

Milan Budaj said to Oskar Dora in mai 2010 during the csw meeting in germany: "Jörg still believes, Arleen is a pure csw, hahaha". I was standing beside them. And I met Arleen, she is very very good looking and has a super temperament, like a wolf or F 1 - F 2, she is lying on her back immediately even when a strang person meets her. That is typicall submissive behavior what you will find more often in wolves and closer to the wolf wolfdogs.

Mikael, it was before your time, when Dia Kollar Dvor was famous. Did you never asked yourself, why lots of people took her two times for mating?

Hello Satu and Mikael,

having a very long experience with this I can only ask you not to feed the troll. As trolls are notoriously dishonest and malignent they love to jump into things and throw some stinky rumors.
Everybody knowing Dia and Baron knows how trustworthy this special troll is :twisted: And this special troll never saw Dia....
And I am pretty sure that Oskar will be very astonished about what he has said :rock_3. I will ask him next time I meet him, he should know what is told about him.

Ina

Yeah, feed the troll, he is getting bigger and bigger. hahaha. Ina, people like you who are spreading rumours everywhere, do not should tell me what I should do and not.

But take your look to the spanish csw who should be bred by Margo but has the color of iberian wolves. Is it a iberian csw Hybrid? You are so experienced, start your fight to spanish people. lol.

What I see in Utukku is a very wolfish and typical pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, the darker coat is not new in the breed, you can find it in several dogs, Anomad Debowa sfora for exemple: http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/8118

But I really think that breeder and owner will see no problems in make the DNA test, even because it was not the first time I heard people telling it. ;)

Im thinking in make the DNA test in all my dogs and I really think that all the breeders must try to do the same.
We have Antagene and Laboklin as laboratories which already tested the DNA of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, will be great if we all choose one laboratory to send the samples of our dogs because I wonder if the laboratories share informations, for exemple, if I send a sample fo Iran to Antagene and someone which to test if he is the father by Laboklin, probably I will need to send a new sample (??).

I don´t think so, because you are owner of the profile as soon as you paid it.

Ina

Margo keeps secretly an Iberian wolf? :ehmmm:banghead Why don't you log in reality, Christian? Even for a short while? It'll definitely do you good... :evil_lol

It is spread senseless gossips, I really cant imagine Milan having such a nice and personal talk with Oskar in 2010 at all. :lol:
But if they were speaking with each other, they were doing it in Slovakian, meaning that Christian might have misunderstood them anyway.

Then, it mean that I can send a copy of the profile of my dog for whatever laboratory...

You can be sure he would have misunderstood them even in German.

Ina

Rona, it is not Margo doing it. The same problem was discussed here from a dog from Riccardo - running wolf - some time ago. The breeder gives the pup and the pedigree and the new owner changes in "his pup".... There are several possibilities to do it. A new pet passport with new chip number. And all works fine - till the dogs do not look like typical breed dog, as we saw several time from french csw.

Mikael, I did not start the fight again. You must have a look in german facebook wolfdog group. Since I opened two new groups about american wolfdogs in german and english language, Ina and Michael Eichhorn are doing nothing else than spreading rumours about my dogs, me and all american wolfdogs. They never saw real adult american wolfdogs. But all main american wolfdogs breeders know now their name. They always start to fight! Why are they not able to accept, that different people like different things - here wolfdogs?

And they are not only fighting here in germany. Michael Eichhorn will speak about wolfdogs hybrids in italy too, as the italian told me. But what is his experience? He had only Koro one of the last F 4 csw with 34 %. But he was not able to care right, so he died. He has not the patience to deal with these dogs. Hit and run, that is what he knows best.

I do not understand why Eichhorns go every year since 2009 to my authorities and tell them, that my dogs are pure wolves, dangerous hybrids or what so ever? He does not know well genetics and that wolves and dogs are only 0,04 % different in nuclear DNA, so the gene labs will not find any difference. And that is why the gene lab said after testing her, Noomi is a petdog! Even every different dog breed is 0,16% different from each one. Wolves are 0,18% different in mtDNA from dogs. So in nuclear DNA it would be even closer than 0,04%.

You people like your csw, I do too but I love my american wofldogs too. I can not understand why Eichhorns do not get it?! Jealousy? After all this years they start again and again. Even here in english forum Ina is spreading lies and rumours about me, although I do not have any contact to them for 2 years now. People send me here lies and asked what happened again. I said nothing. Both Eichhorns are jealous and psychopathic, that is why they are not able to stop fighting against me.

That is the truth and I guess Margo could confirm, because so far I know she is in these groups - I am not. But my friends send me these dirty talks from Eichhorns. But it seems sensless with them. I feel very sorry for them.

OK Christian, one plain question. Will you apologize to the owners of Utukku if the parentage tests prove he's the son of his parents?

Mr. Berge, please they take her pills .... them are just ridiculous ..... The father of Utukku is my Belke and him leaves bequeath a good color .... I was present with the deck act....and a GENE test is no problem. I do not hope that they still maintain the red color in Belke comes from a Saarloos. Their insanity is already very dangerous, please they can be helped expertly, if they proceed, nevertheless, please in the hands of a good doctor ...

I understand better why they are attacking my dog ​​directly .... hummm hummmm

Rona, I did not said he is a iberian csw hybrid, but I said he looks like from a color like Iberian Wolf. Don´t you see the picture of the Iberian wolf? Same color like the csw. But of course it would be good if they make a gene test!

I only wanted to show you, how rumours started. That is what you are doing about Demoniak and other dogs. You are mixing in things. I wanted to show you that there are far more dogs, where you could do that. And as long europaen wolves - especially Carpathian wolves - are crossed in the csw breed, I do not have any problem with this fresh blood. I only dislike when american wolfdog is mixed in. But in Demoniak is no american wolf. You can believe it and you can let it be.

My work is done here. Have fun and wow let´s go Eichhorns Gossiping further and further. Everybody will get the punishment he or she deserves.

to judge a dog on a photo and his colour in a photo is nonsens. you all know, that photos can change the colour... so what about this dog? is she a mix? its only a photo... i do not say, that dogs, there are in the "mixes" list are mixes or not, but i say, it is wrong to judge a dog in a picture.
http://img7.rajce.idnes.cz/d0702/5/5...s/P1080974.jpg
http://leiluska.rajce.idnes.cz/Chasa.../#P1080974.jpg

Oooo, so it´s a FIGHT, and between you both only... so it has noting to do whit the dogs that you did talk about, nor the breed...

:gent That´s the answer I was looking for ;)

Best regards / Mikael

they have also said that Domoniak is a mix from American and TWH, Berge.....why do they lie always thus? hold nevertheless, simply sometimes your feet, you are no expert and also have no notion .... and again you writhe like an eel .... you are a troublemaker, precise like it also the Americans say ......

Mikael, it is a fight because of my american wolfdogs, why they are jealous to my dogs? It is very simple. Better you talk to them not to me. I lived in peace. But Eichhorns and Torsten Belke start a big witch hunt in facebook.

I am not in this group!!!! Do you get it Mikael????

Torsten, you know nothing, sitting in your village for three years, better you stop talking. And you know nothing about the relationship from Mark, Mace, Scott, Ann, Sky and a few others and me - because you are sitting in your village. Stop spreading rumours.

Or tell us, why you are reading in the american wolfdogs german group everyday? And responding and refering in csw group to what we are discussing where you know that I can not answer and read? That is insane! Why are you fighting people, who are walking with me and my dogs and know them very well and know that they are dogs! Why do you believe not these people who know my dogs? Why you talk dirty to them?

Tell us why your wife will not be able to walk your csw outdoors when you will be in prison and why you train your dogs staying only in your garden - for more than a year? What do you have for special dogs that your wife is not able to walk them?

Ok, let it be, you can only loose.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Christian, but your American dogs don't have fake pedigrees, and so it's not really a concern on WD..?

Mr. Berge, it is no big hunt on them, merely it is for the protection of all Wolfdogs before her lies and her assertions. They only throw with half a truth around themselves what one can also see here in this subject....

I must not leave my town to read the dung they give of themselves ..... They of the persons mentioned by you, laugh at you and call you troublemaker, because they spread things, are not true and Each with you had to act know this .... They are ill in the head.

I must not read in the group, I get information, exactly how they also from the group CSW .... LOL
This does not belong here, because it is my private thing. But, so one can see your character and as they act if they have no more arguments ....
However, I answer with pleasure. My dogs are well socialized and everybody can go with them .... it must have nobody fear of them. They are educated for it too well .... does go also with your animals? I have a woman and a son, they come well clearly with my dogs .... How is that with you? Whom do you have? If it is not a Geldstafe for them with the next time, who is then there for her animals before those they themselves are afraid ?They do not live in the reality, they are a very ill person if they can be treated, it is better for everything .....

Nopp, sorry I do not get it... If this is about your mix breed dogs, way do you bring the "fight" to a website for pure breed dogs ???

And way do you start false rumors about dogs you know nothing about ???

And last but not least, way do you give others advise you are to give to your self ??? "Stop spreading rumours" :rock_3

Best regards / Mikael

I'm sorry, but you did say this:
I repeat the question: will you apologize to the owner of the dog if the tests show he's the son of his parents? Knowing Margo, I'm almost sure the breeder, stud and dog owners will conduct the tests asap to stop the gossips spread by you, unlike the French, who keep flooding the forums with words, words, words....

What's more, Christian, if the tests prove Utukku is the son of his parents, you should pay for the testing. Of course provided you have any sense of honour :?

Yuko, I do not understand what does my american wolfdogs have to do with csw? I am not planing to mix them with csw.

Rona, again, I pointed on a csw who looks like being a mix with iberian wolf, like some others did with the dog from Riccardo - and had to be done with Demoniak, Dik, Doz and so on. It is not my work to keep the csw clean. Not the slovakians, czech, italian, french, finish people are the only one in mixing fresh blood into, why should not the spanish csw world, Rona? You are the people who have an interest to keep the csw clean, because you love only pure bred breeds. So I suggest you to make a bowl where every breeder pays money in, to pay the gene tests, to make sure, that these animals, who look a bit different and(!) will go in official breeding are pure bred csw.

The csw were a start for me in wolfdog world. But my love is more to the americans. Of course I am always interest in the csw world because I have a lot of friends there and my csw are of course special to me.

Mikael, Eichhorns went in

2009, 2010, 2011 to the authorities to cheat me. Isn´t it paranoid?

I saw Michael Eichhorn last time in may 2010 during german csw clubshow. He was talking with me 2,5 hours and was walking with me to our the same hotel. Only 10 days later he went to the authorities spreading rumours that I have a pure wolf or F 1. I have all his eMails, messages from his phonecalls to the authorities because I get all information from them about what they are doing.

What kind of character are such a persons? It seems to me, that my american wolfdogs and I are the only thing in the world they could think of. It is real strange. I have nothing to do with them. Why are they writing (and even Torsten) hours and hours in fb groups over my dogs and me and people who are with me? That is real freaky and it scares me.

Then you're really not able to see the body differences between a pure and typical dog and an atypical mix who nor even from far look like a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog... And you're arriving to the conclusion that all dogs who YOU consider different, acording to what YOU know and according to what you already experienced, are mixes?! :shock: