good training/behaviour young CSV
 

Hi

All things being well I should have a Vlcak bitch from good lines within 2 months.

I have done alot of reading about how bad they can be to train. Does anyone have any stories that offer an exception to this. Has anybody owned a CSV from puppy & not had their sofa partially consumed. Has somebody had an experience when they had a nice car that the CSV did not destroy when young & left in the car for an hour?

Finally did anybody find that socialisation with strangers human & canine came easier than most stories I have read.

It will be my intention for young Vlcak to come with me to the forests daily, to learn soon how to heal & return. Then to the city maybe 3 times a week at heal at a very early age in life. To the pub to watch the football on Saturday & to be close to my sisters baby very early on & as he grows up.

Would be very interested to hear if people have had positive experiences, I have read and understand too much the negative.

I don't know so much if it really matters if people have had positive or negative experiences. Each CSV is so different in personality. The dog that may be a breeze inside the home might be more timid and difficult in public. The dog that shows little interest in chewing/destroying may be very difficult to motivate in training. The very social dog (I think of my little Asha!) might bowl over a small child (or large men) in excitement. The very energetic dog might get so crazy that it seems to have no disregard for actually listening, but can go on all day once it actually gets trained. I have all of the above. :p I would consider every one of my dogs a success story. But each story is different, and none is without it's hurdles. As a whole this breed is very sensitive, and sometimes unforgiving, hence the difficulty - to good and bad treatment. It's why it's so important to start with one puppy only, patience and an open mind - observe and learn from your puppy, and she will do the same from you. ;)

Don't think about it as 'bad' to train, think of it as an adventure ;-)

whenever you speak to anyone from any breed fancy, they will probably always tell you that all the dogs are different and individuals, but i think with CsV you can expect this to be especially true.. :lol:

but to answer your question, "Has somebody had an experience when they had a nice car that the CSV did not destroy when young & left in the car for an hour?"

No. :shock::lol:

all those "naughty" things will only occur if you give a CsV chance to do those things :lol: i believe owning a CsV is a learning curve for both pup and owner, you will teach each other things without realising it!

and has already been said ... each dog is different, and instead of trying to change a dog into something it might not want to be, adapt your own way of thinking to understand what you are asking from the dogs POV

with regards to forests and cities - plenty of good quality socialisation at a young age in all areas, and continued socialisation into adulthood will allow your CsV to be able to take these situations in their stride.

Most wolfdogs (at least mine) love that...

Thankyou for the advice, perhaps I am guilty of paying too much attention to the negatives thus far. Yes I plan to learn very much from her, & vice versa all being well that it happens:)

How was it with you first lone puppy? I feel it may be best this way, although I am thinking to have an older collie as well.(I wrote in another thread) I worry that it would be more difficult when CSV settles in my life to incorporate another dog. & I am hoping a collie will make a good companion with nice differences in each of them to not unite against me!

Yes this was very much the case, with my dear deaf collie. It was essential to think very laterally & from the others point of view. I hope this will come as naturally for me with CSV.
Tell me Maddie please, how you might deal with the young vclak if she began to eat your car seat? with my collie it would be a wag of the finger, a glare from me & never again. Although her main trouble in early months was actually being sick on them & then jumping out of car windows!

it will be trained very hard on one thing, she will support Liverpool FC or wont set foot inside my house & never welcome to come for a beer with me!

i would give her a chew toy of some description and remind myself to get heavy duty car seat covers :lol: and thats if she was to be on the car seat, i would hope i would have a crate or dog gaurd set up so as to avoid the situation in the firstplace. as the old saying goes ... fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

liverpool? oh no :( Man Utd all the way :P

as the old saying goes ... fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

liverpool? oh no :( Man Utd all the way :P[/quote]


Haha in Merseyside? so I see you must have steel grills on your house windows ;)

seriously thanks for the advice, I have several vehicles so I will have to judge what is best. But I am hoping she will like sitting next to me when I am driving because I like the company & preferably not in a cage because how can I pat her head on those long drives !:)

Yes, mine did not destroy the sofa (only a little fragment of the front door :twisted:)

To learn - sure she will, if you perservere long enough :twisted:
soon - not necessarily.:|

Don't count of that. It depends on many factors inculding the dog's temperamant, the strength of her will, how consistent you are with the training, how often the situation occurs, etc, etc. Usually the bigger change comes around two-three years of age, provided you keep working with the dog despite the results.
First of all you must remember not to show your pup how you do things (open the fridge, cupbaords, windows, unlock doors etc) They learn very quickly the naughty things. :twisted:

haha, would you be surprised if i told you my house looked out onto a field, a stones throw from a field to the right, and backs onto a horse paddock? ;)

its no worries ... im still waiting for the day where i can have my own csv, but all it means is that there is more time for research :) and i'm sure i will never know everything, even when i have one!

Hi TimoleonVieta, welcome to the forum!

You will find my stories in English on my webpage. Raksha is still young, but she is much better behaved than what I prepared for according to the warning stories.

She lives outside the house, so the material damage she makes is minimal.

We socialized her thoroughly, there was no panic, she has a calm temperament.
The socialization process taught us, however, that puppy can be surprised or afraid of the strangest things - a limping person, umbrella, playground rocking horse.

Socialization with other canines - we were surprised when she grew adult that she started to growl at some of the female dogs we met. She still can go to a park and play with most of the dogs there, but I have to be careful when introducing her to strange females.
This same-sex hostility is something very common in CSWs, I'm being told.

That sounds idyllic Maddie, what a wonderful place to bring up any dog. I hope when the day comes it will be worth the wait. Thanks very much for your time & trouble :)

I really enjoyed the webpage, it's a mine of information for the novice & photographer to. Konrad Lorenz seems to have had a good effect on you as well as the breeders good advice you sought. I will look more into Mr Lorenz he's ideas are facinating.

May I ask, considering you had Shiva the cat at the time you brought your puppy home, how you think things might have gone had you had your own 8 month old female collie dog or similar at the home when you introduced Raksha to your lives.

It is a hard thing to hypothesize but do you think this may have helped Raksha bond with other females & been a managable relationship in itself.

I am attracted to this combination because I feel that a well loved & secure collie is one of the most humble animals on earth. That it may prove to be a nice foil & friend for the CSV. Not only that I want a CSV so much but couldn't wait 13 years or more for another collie!

Thankyou for the advice, I shall persevere & remember to be a master of illusion in matters of door opening. Although I think a clever dog can also learn by his or her own initiative. My last dogs mother learned to climb in through the window, walk across the table & eat anything in sight.. she had no role model for this!

Hello TimoleonVieta (what an interesting name :)),

We have a 4, going on 5, year old CsV female. When she was a small puppy, she craved the company of other dogs - irrespective of sex. About a month after getting her, we were adopted by the tiniest little stray female, whom we dubbed Scrap :p. She and Shadow immediately became the best of friends, curling up to sleep together in the garden and playing rough and tumble all day long. Scrap has grown up to be a big gentle dog and she and Shadow are still friends except when Shadow comes into season - then poor Scrap is in line to take a real beating :(, so we must keep them separated for that time. After an initial wariness on Scrap's part, they become friends again once the hormones stop raging (Scrap has been spayed). Right now, we have a new litter of puppies :), and again Scrap has to be kept away from Shadow. Interestingly, a neutered male 'stray' we have taken in and our 6 month old female Airedale are not at risk... Once the pups are at the exploring age, Shadow is more than happy to let 'Aunty' Scrap take over as chief babysitter :p

Female to female hostility is not unheard of in the breed so, were you to get your collie too, just be prepared for the odd time when they will not be friends. The rest of the time, they will get on brilliantly and your CsV will be so happy for the company (4 legged).

We all look forward to seeing pictures and hearing who this puppy is (it is important that you get in contact with some of the breed guardians in the UK as the KC demands 20 individual, unrelated dogs in the country before they will consider recognising the breed - something I am sure you would hope will happen too) :)

I don't mean triffles which you mention :p, but unlocking doors and opening windows with their teeth, getting out of locked crates or cars, etc. etc. I see you belong to the group who enjoy finding things out for themselves.:rock_3

As somebody wisely mentioned in some other thread, CSVs are "more".... more ingenous, more energetic, more loveable, naughtier, more affective :twisted:, more determined, etc. than dogs of other breeds.

Good luck with your girl and have fun discoverning the "more" of her. :lol:

.. isnt TimoleonVieta a book?

I agree, I think every dog is unique and you also need to adapt your methods to what works better with your pup. That's why I think one of the keys to deal with dogs in general is to be open-minded and good at reading them.

Nevertheless, I guess collecting other people's experiences may be helpful.

Mine for example was never a destroyer, he never did any damage, even if he lives indoor and is free to roam around the house when he is alone... but generally he is so tired when I leave him at home that all he wants to do is sleep.

About "training", I wouldn't know since I never did that seriously (only for fun)... personally, I only cared about "education". I ask very "little" to my dog (to be able to walk at heel, with or without a leash on, to stop when I say to stop and to come when I call him) but I tried to make his response to those few requests reliable in more and more difficult situations.

What I noticed with him is that he does not care much for rewards in general. I don't use coercion because I don't like the concept, but even if I did it would not work with him (those few times I had to "force" him to do or not to do something, for emergency, it did more damage than good). He needs to be "convinced" that when you ask him to do something, that's always the best, wiser and more advantageous thing to do. In a few words, that's what makes him "reliable".

About socialization, when I got him at 60 days he was already very self confident and curious, so I didn't have much problem. He did go through a phase (around 7 to 12 months) when he was less confident and more guarded, but never "fearful", and this phase didn't last long. What I noticed about him, which is something that helped me a lot, is that if he encounters something new he never saw before he is "cautious", but he takes him about 10 seconds to decide that strange thing is not a danger and he relaxes quickly... also, if something or someone suddenly scares him or even hurts him or something "traumatic" happens, he will not bear any psychological "scar" or hard feelings, he recovers pretty quickly from such incidents and he quickly forgets about them. I guess this reduced the impact of any mistakes I may have made while socializing him during his growth.

this is true for many people, & surely those that ask for advice & then seem to ignore it can be the most infuriating? Certainly I am guilty of this. Sadly the advice must in a way become more logical & cohesive than the impulse to do things my own way.

As a youngster when one is critised too much early on & not heeded then he may become self willed & a little blind to the reason of others. Critical that any advice other than his own could be a poison. Later he finds himself in much trouble if the guardians cannot recover the situation before adulthood.

To try to know oneself, is I think, a little help at least in overcoming these things. People like me must do everything they can to listen carefully & dismiss judiciously. But to not clutter ones head so much, the heart can't think.

But I digress..I am sure you are playing & I thankyou for your good advice, I would never forgive myself if she got hurt due to her own cleverness.
Cheers, I will smile through the tears!

Really appreciate you sharing this I think my situation may end up very similar in the next few years with CSV. It is good to know that Scrap was introduced after Shadow, as were the others you must be a kind soul! I have been worried that it would be very hard that way; CSV then collie, but no, this has helped I think it best I concentrate on CSV alone first, reassured that a new introduction later can be positive for all sides.

I first lived for three years with my collie & her entire pack on the moors before we left together. It was interesting that only my collie bonded with me truly. Despite me offering her brother the same care & exercise it was like he & the 6 or 7 others realised they could not interfere with this bond. How does this work with your pack, is your bond closest with Shadow, Scrap, or equal with both dogs? & has the bond with your first two remained unaffected by the attention you give the others?

With my collie it had repercussions, when they got a chance they tried to kill her quite early on. I had to reorganise the pack leadership quickly & she soon became the alfa between 8 & 10 months old. She became fearless in life & once tried to protect me from a speeding car!


some good & positive experiences may have a place. It is certainly helping me to find a more balanced view.

Thankyou for the advice, I find it very interesting that the commands were simple but situations gradually increased for him to cope with. It seems that this way he takes the small things you ask very seriously & that they maintain good reason for him. He sounds like a fantastic & faithful friend!

I also do not like encouraging a dog with food, merely that they will like there own & take pleasure from it. In training & learning I need to reserve judgement & plan both ways depending on how I find her young character & how well we can relate & learn without a chicken in my pocket & a car full of stinking tripe :)

This would be a pleasure. Due to my lifestyle many people will meet my CSV & I hope we will be both good ambassadors for the breed.

Yes, about a mongrel

From my very limited experience (I only own one Czech WD, so I don't want to generalize) I think if you like a dog you can't just relate to simply through a bunch of positive and negative reinforcements, you will probably enjoy this breed.

I find that my dog likes the idea of "collaboration" for a common interest much more than he likes to do something that in his head has no meaning for a bite of chicken. The fact that he is able to reach his goal by doing his part in a team play is extremely rewarding for him and I believe it strengthen the bond as well.

I watched your beautiful videos, they have brought back many memories. When you walk alone with him, he constantly looks back at you. He seems so interested in the world around him, but no more so than checking you are with him.

The dog is so free within himself & still dedicated to you. Maybe the best number is two, one man & his dog. It is making me wonder if I am making the right choice to want a bitch of this breed more than a boy :shock:

Can I ask a couple more things? Was it exactly 60 days when you took him with you? & do you know if he was the dominant alpha male of his litter?

Yes, I think I have one of each also.. and of those which did "negative" things as puppies (puppies get into trouble - this is a fact of life), those same dogs are my most motivated to do things. ;)

I honestly don't have a clue about a collie, cats live in a whole different world from dogs:]
I have been warned that if you already have a dog, the wolfdog puppy might bond more with the dog than with you, or be too much dependent on the other dog.
Raksha can live with Shiva, but her relationship with him has no effect on her behavior to other cats, she loves chasing them, no matter what.

It's very hard to write about upbringing and traning a vlcak, becasue it's a very "private" experience and depends a lot on the individal character of the dog and the owner. There is more of relationship building than training itslef in it, and methods that work for one CSV not necessarily do for another.

IMO a person who is mentally strong and is aware of his own strengths and weaknesses + has learnt about the breed specificity and is open minded has better chance to succeed than someboy who carries a vision what his dog should be like and wants to tailor it to this shape. I don't mean you, these are just general comments.

There are some principles of which it's good to know:
1. vlcaks are meant to teach their owners humility - and thus people who have more distance to themselves and are able to take things with humour are more prone to enjoy their vlcak pups. They take a lot from their owners, but always give more, that's why it's so easy to forgive them all their mischiefs. When they're young every day's a bit like this: :daysmile General principle: never boast about a young vlcak because this is asking for trouble :twisted:

2. They are exteremly rational in their "reasoning", though the reasoning is not necessarily human-like. Thus the ability to understands what the vlcak wants to tell you is crucial for training. The owner must remember that in case of CSVs communication is a two-way process to much greater extent than in case of other breeds. Vlcaks never destroy things for fun - it is one of the methods they communiate things to their owners - a signal that the communiation channel must be improved. They learn by doing, so whenever they do something bad, don't give them any chance to repeat that.

3. Vlcaks' senses are more sensitive than of other dogs and definitely of humans' and their empathy is enorumous. This may lead to problems, because the dog might react to something "mysterious" the owner is not aware of. Our late Tina was most placid and trustful animal, but three times in her 14 years long life reacted with agression or fear towards humans. In one case we later found out the guy was a dog fat trader (:() , in another - a person guilty of home violence. She simply "knew" what we couldn't have known. :|

4 If the owner manages to build a sound relationship with the dog, the dog will behave in a rational way in genuine circumstances. GSD trainers often say that CSVs are dumb because they don't obey 100%. But then, why should they? They have their own brains and know when obedinece is vital, and when they're only doing things for fun and sport. That's why it's good if a vclak has a job - does something which is imporant for the owner and "genuine" in the dog's perception.

We can take our vlcak everywhere now, just like we were able to take our late Tina: to a party, restaurant, store, to walk with her in the woods without a leash, she's extremely good with our grandson (2). We can travel with her by bus, tram and in a car, we take her to dog playground (though have to be careful with strange, fearful females, like others mentioned above). We practise mantrailing and she treats this very seriously - this is her real job! But we've learnt all those things by doing, and on the way experienced several ups and downs, which were part of the fun of having a CSV.8) There are still things we simply have to put up with, like her welcome jumping on the people she loves 8) We treat this as part of the mutual contract and secretly enjoy :p

I hope these comments will help you understand your little girl when she arrives. Happy New Year!

Very good post Rona, but particularly liked this bit of advice :lol:

If I remember correctly, he was 61 days old. I wouldn't know about alphas, but he was quite "bossy" with his littermates... I also remember he growled to his mom when she tried to scold him :lol:


I pretty much agree with Rona's picture of the breed, especially with these three points...

I think their "rationality" makes them extremely good at learning from real life experiences, and also makes them "wiser" as they live, learn and make mistakes. Personally, this is something I absolutely love about my dog.

I believe there are some breeds whose behavior is very conditioned by their genetics and by what they are selectively bred for, and this makes them very "instinctive" in some circumstances, they shut down their brain, and this makes more difficult to modify some parts of their behavior. For example there are some breeds that are genetically inclined to be aggressive with other dogs, breeds whose prey drive is stronger than their reasoning, or breeds who don't have any sense of danger and self preservation when they are doing what they are bred to do.

I would say (at least from what I can see with my dog) Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs are less "instinctive" and more rational in a lot of situations, and even when you may not be able to control them, they basically control themselves (depending on what experience taught them). I find this extremely useful in "real life", because if you manage to expose them to the right experiences in the right way, they can become very "trustworthy".

I agree, with one reservation. It works like you've described it, provided the dog learns new things gradually and internalizes them - i.e. obeys because he chooses to follow pack pinciples and finds such behaviour rewarding, (a pup gets treats, when adult - is usually praised + sometimes gets treats).

Any training shorcuts, like prong collars, physical penalities, electric fences, etc. IMO do not work for vlcaks. I mean even if they do - when the owner is not looking the dog does what he wants. It works exactly like with kids - aggressive behaviour is the best lesson of aggressive behaviour!:cry:

Though positive training methods are the best it doesn't mean that CSV are to be trained only by them. Negative ones IMO should be rather based on signalling the dog verbally and nonverbally the owner's discontent and even genuine anger. It must be sincere, because it's hard to fool them. :twisted:

Shadow knows when she has done something wrong if I stand with my hands on my hips and look stern - I don't have to say a word, she instantly stops the 'bad' behaviour and sits until I relax my posture. Then she comes to me and 'kisses' my hand.

Like Rona says, you must mean it with the reproach - they know if it is half hearted and it will soon lose the effect.

Exactly! I think we talked about this in a recent topic about Cesar Millan's methods: if you modify your dog's behavior with physical correction and inhibition, without changing his state of mind, once your control weavers the dog goes back to his bad behavior (or more often to an even "worst" behavior).

I think this goes for every dog, but for extremely intelligent and sensitive breeds like the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog it is even more true and evident.

As you said, they need to "choose". They have to be "convinced" of what you are asking them to do, and they have to be comfortable in doing so, otherwise they won't be reliable and consistent.

Haha CSV owners (at least this one :lol:), & owners of other breeds where I train say that GSDs are like robots or remote - controlled cars. The last thing that my CSV is, is dumb, she learns much quicker than any of the GSDs who I train with (& is much better behaved - normally ;-)), however because she is smart, she sometimes says "I already learned how to do this, why do I have to do it again & again & again & again?" The trick with CSVs I think (& I guess with most dogs) is to stop them from getting bored when training, a little & often is more often better than continuous repetition.

My housemate has 2 bitches & when I brought my puppy home (aged about 7 weeks), she originally slept downstairs with the other girls. I was at training a week or two later & the trainer asked me to call her, which I did but I got no response, he asked where she was sleeping & I told him & he said exactly the same, that she was bonding to one of my housemate's dogs. His suggestion was to take her to sleep in my room until she was at least 4 months old & then slowly move her out as I wished. Immediately that I did that she started to respond much better to me, she still has 2 great friends to play with but she knows who her "daddy" is.

Again I can only give advice from my point of view (1st CSV, female aged 9 months) & from what I've read, but my girl had no problems with my housemate's dogs whatsoever & about 6 weeks ago I adopted a little stray mongrel & at first my CSV was a little jealous but after 2 weeks they were like best friends. I have read & believe it to be true (again at least in my experience so far) that CSVs will get on with most animals that are in your household (including livestock), so I don't see that having a Collie should present you with any serious problems, I would say that because of the strong pack instinct I think it's not a bad idea to consider another dog as a companion, problems are more likely (or should I say possible) with strange or unknown animals & people.

The bond we have with Shadow is a special one - she is a CsV after all :) - but our bond with the other dogs is still strong. There is always a little jealousy if one or another is getting affection, but there is enough of that to go around :p. Shadow sees it as her place to reprimand the others if we have told them off (in particular Newman who tends to go a bit 'deaf' on our walks, he never used to come when called...) - her reprimand is short and swift and never aggressive. They have their own order within the pack and, as long as we observe this order, they are all very happy and contented :). It will be interesting to see how things alter once the puppies get older and start to try to find their place.

My czw never did any damage in car so far. I can easly go shopping, go for pizza...He sleeps mostly in car.. But when he was in the car for more hours(driving+shopping ca 2-3h i think-don't remember) he did attack a bag with threats for him i bought in one of shops and ate some of them - he reached it over seats. He was 1 year old 3days ago anyway..

Enjoy

Yes.:lol:

Yes. :lol:

But my female is not a typical vlcak in behavior :rock_3 You can ask Rona, because she knows a lot and personally my female, K-Lee. My English is too bad to explain what I mean :roll:

Haha, yes, I do know K-lee :) She is very human-oriented, wants to please the owners almost like a GSD and above all - loves food! She's a dream dog for training! 8) :)

If i already wrote before, let me ask you guys a question.. What efficient methods do you use to stop czw from showing agressivness towards other dogs? As i noticed it doesn't do it only to males but doesn't really matter. He will just normally accept some dogs, and will make agressive body language towards other and start jumping to get to them. Food or such things in that cases dont help much, i am using psychical methods, which i know you will say it is not good for wolfdog and may connect it to other dogs(I do hit him with my fingers in his neck when he starts to snarl/go mad..) Not so much that he would feel pain or anything, just to change his "state of mind", it usually works good, but as soon as this "agression" is too powerful, even that doesn't work.. Also i don't think he would want to attack a dog, he never did any harm to anyone. And as breeder told me, he would usually do that when other dog barks or snarls at him, and in most cases this is true, but sometimes he starts. Also in many cases i do stop it pretty easly but not always as i said when his will for that is too powerful.

I would love some tips and you opinions to see what else i can try. I was reading about it and was trying many things. He also was socialized since i got him, he was playing with many dogs and he still does with those i can let him..

P.S. In other aspects he is really great, pretty obidient, he never runs away on it's own when off leash, excapt some prey drive, but he comes back sooner then half a minute usually. Also he is great towards people, excapt kids which he is afraid off and may show agressivness when approched to czw, becouse i did not have a chance to socialize him with kids, don't have any, and you can't say a friend or neighbour to borrow you a kid to train a wolfdog :-)

Thanks!

how old is your dog?

does this happen on lead or off lead?

my boy went through this in his teenage,he would act all 'noisy and bouncy' trying to get the other dog to 'go away' he was going through a period of unease and needed his confidence boosting,lots more nice meetings with dogs offlead(so natural bodylanguage could be displayed) helped and he gained his
confidence back(that and time) thats not to say if a big dog on leash reacts to him on leash he wont shout back ;)

i find physical corrections are counter productive(and you risk your dog redirecting to you),he needs to see other dogs are good things and not something to feel tense about... imo :)

Hi,

I think that depending how old your dog is this is normal CsV behavior - the selectivity towards who he will and won't be friendly to is completely normal, especially when it comes to new or stranger dogs.

To have a CsV who behaves otherwise and is welcoming to any and all dogs is rather uncommon, I think.

Upon maturity it's normal for dogs of many breeds, including CsV, to be selective.. For that reason it's also normal to see the majority of CsV of adult age to be in muzzles at off-lead gatherings of stranger dogs.. ;-)

It's not something necessarily that you can 'change' - you cannot make your CsV into a nice social Beagle. You can continue to safely socialize him with those you know he is friendly to, introduce new dogs cautiously, and always be prepared to manage the situation knowing it's generally in their nature to be this way.

well, I use redirection and praise. It is easiest for me when I walk her around yards where other dogs are - when we approach, I remind her that she is not allowed to bark and jump and show aggressive behavior. If she ignores the dog or shows positive interest, she is praised. If she gets tense or behaves wrong, I call her to myself, and start giving her commands like "sit" and "heel" and require her to look at me (I turn her head toward me/away from the other dog). Then we walk away and I release her from "heel" command. So she knows that if she is not behaving properly, she will have to "do stupid things" and not get to sniff around (our walks are for her to sniff and pee), so she tends to avoid confrontations...

He was just 1 year old. I do try to redirect attention ofcourse, and i do always prize him for good behavior and no agressive signs when meeting dogs. But in some cases non of those things work. And yes, mostly on leash we get to such situation..

Thanks for your replays..

P.S. I was teaching him to walk heel all the time on leash, but i give him chances to sniff and do his stuff too.. Also he is off leash much too..
And i do put him to sit when it comes to unwanted behavior, and when he calms we continue ahead.

I just wanted to thank the people that gave me such good advice in this thread.
Some of the advice really "stuck" & was called upon in my first few months with my lovely young Vlcak.

Everything has been a collaboration, & the training/upbringing has been great fun. As Fede said, the Vlcak when brought up in favourable conditions can think itself out of trouble. This has helped no end in being able to form a trusting bond between us.


The bitch I have is 10 months old now, and so far has shown no aggression, & remarkable intelligence & intuition for one so young. She plays with kittens, dogs large or small. She plays with the pig on the farm & can be trusted with horses. When she is ever attacked, she will respond with passivity, a warning; or blistering pace and agility to run away.

In the city so far, she remains off the lead as my last dog did & responds well to sign language.

To invest such trust takes alot of energy, but I hope when she reaches maturity it will all have been worth it.

Thanks once again :)

a photo or two

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re reading my original post has made me smile!

So far 99% has been positive in raising my vlcak

Although to date she has partially consumed

1 x My Beloved Porsche
1 x Vauxhall Corsa
1 x Peugeot 205
1 x Ford Fiesta
1 x My Beloved 1982 Toyota Hiace Campervan

in the positive she does travel well though, but oh don't leave her in the car!

It looks like you are doing great so far :)