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Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs said to be Man Killers

This is a translation from an article which appeared in the french journal "
Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace." It is the subject of much discussion on the French forum.

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It is close to the outskirts of Strassburg that Christopher Mad’dene laid down his bags some years back. With his wife, Diane, and two children, Gwylan, four, and Quentin, sixteen, he lives entirely his passion for wolves with this four wolfdogs, three Saarloos and one Czechoslovakian. Charon, Whitson, Nike and Paxoue.

Born in 1971, at Lons-le-Saunier, Christopher Mad’dene met his first wolf when he was four. He remembers that they had put him down between the legs of that animal that day. “The virus caught him and never left him”. He grew up surrounded by dogs, huskies and malamutes, that his father who was in the military, trained for sled racing.

The years passed. Little by little Christopher imposed his incredible temperament. He left school and trained with a sword and martial arts, he works in proximity protection, has business in Africa, and falls ill. Hepatitis B and Malaria, which leave him completely drained.

Very weak, forced to stay at home, Christopher uses what energy he had left to create Ame-Our, an association destined to help sick children and their families. There he meets Diane, a young woman with a passion for wolves, graduate from the Central school of canine studies. While he learns to know her, Christopher decides to use his free time to help the young woman realise her dream, to adopt a Saarloss wolfdog.

Another name becomes important to them: that of Cornelia Keizer, owner of the Louba-Tar breeding station, a reference for the breed in Europe. Whitson enters in the life of Christopher, and with him Diane. Today three other wolfdogs have joined the pack. Charon and Nike, two Saarloos, and Paxoue, a little Czechoslovakian wolfdog that Christopher has kept in spite of the hatred which that race inspires in him.

If Christopher truly worships Saarloos, this dog born in the 30s from a German shepherd and Fleur, a Russian wolf, he does not have words strong enough to talk about the Czechoslovakian wolfdog, a hybrid created in Eastern Europe during the cold war. A “dangerous aberration”, a man killer, he formally advises against owning these dogs.

According to Christopher the Saarloos should remain a confidential dog, an animal reserved to people knowing perfectly the behaviour of both dogs and wolves. The Saarloos and the Czechoslovakian are both forbidden in Great Britain, where the law strictly controls their ownership. One must have all the necessary equipment and authorizations.

Today, the Saarloos’ of Christopher are stars, “Le Pacte des Loups”, “Les visiteurs 2” “Le Petit Poucet” and the ads of the Nicolas Hulot foundation. And yet training Saarloos to work is a difficult task. Shy, stubborn and scared, the Saarloos has inherited from the wolf an atavistic fear of man. That which Christopher asks of them is almost impossible! But years of careful training and loving can perform miracles. “They don’t work for themselves, they work for me, for the pleasure they give me” explains Christopher, who every day wonders at the beauty of his four wolfdogs.

At the head of Clan Mad’dene, his production society, Christopher continues on his way. Par shaman, part musicien, part philosopher, he lives his passions, but unfortunately does manage to live from them. His work as an expert in intelligence and high security, and that of Diane, medical representative, manage to keep the family going. The wolfdogs, but also the rats, ferrets, and giant Gambian rats. All these animals Christopher trains for the cinema, mediaeval show, and street happenings.

In Christopher’s home, the cohabitation between man and beasts follows an essential rule, dictated by common sense; the animals must have an interest in living in the company of man. Just like the wolf, who in his natural environment never attacks man, yet never hesitates when he feels confident to try to approach man. With this direct line as a credo, Christopher continues on his way, always pushed by his hope of always doing what he loves in life.

If you ask me, I would not give this guy a puppy. No matter what breed it is. All dogs need proper training and socialization. But all the people I know who work with dogs in the airforce are the same. They think that good working dogs are to much for just any body. They want to keep them to themselves :cheesy: This kind of attitide creates fear and at first everyone is happy such a dangerous dog is kept by professionals. But then they see one on the news or something and then get scarred again and ask why such a dangerous dog is allowed to exist at all. Eventually the goverment will give in to the mass panicking and destroy these dogs. Any way some of the experts on canines would be better owners.

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If Christopher truly worships Saarloos, this dog born in the 30s from a German shepherd and Fleur, a Russian wolf, he does not have words strong enough to talk about the Czechoslovakian wolfdog, a hybrid created in Eastern Europe during the cold war. A “dangerous aberration”, a man killer, he formally advises against owning these dogs.

I personally do not understand, why the guy likes Saarloos and hates CSW, when it is almost the same origin. Fleur was also not Russian wolf, but Canadian! And most of all, why he got himself CSW, when he hates them?
And how he can openly say such a crap about them? A man killer? The guy is not normal!

Mirka

"He grew up surrounded by dogs, huskies and malamutes, that his father who was in the military, trained for sled racing."

Well, Czechoslovak wolfdogs were first bred for purposes of Czechoslovak army, to guard the borders against "deserters" and "imperialistic intruders" and I expect feeling were reciprocal in western armies... Pity that politics can make such blind hatred against breed now kept mostly by civilians... And clearly no more dangerous than any other common breed. Let's hope french-speakers do something about this article...

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I personally do not understand, why the guy likes Saarloos and hates CSW, when it is almost the same origin.
Mirka

Mirka, there were specific situation between owners of these both breeds before. After I buyed a CzW I found more information about CzWs on the Saarloos Wolfdogs owners web pages than on the sites about CzWs... ;) Sure the published facts were not good for our breed - I read our dogs are shy (?), agressive. Saarloos compared to CzW are "social" (my favourite word now ;) ).
Just imagine - in that time most articles published in Polish dog magazines were reprints from French, German (simply said West European) magazines. And there was always the same: "Saarloos good, CzW bad". Many people were surprised I buyed CzW because they were sure Saarloos is perfect dog for work (because people from Search and Rescue groups use them for rescue people). :?

Don't forget the situation in Norway and now even in UK - you can't count with help of Saarloos owners. Some of them even agreed CzWs should be banned (the only important thing is Saarloos Wolfdogs will profit from it and is safe).

And last: do you really think Christopher Mad’dene invented his stupid words about CzWs? No, he heard it for sure from some of the dog owners. I'm sure they were Saarloos owners/breeders because none of the CzW owners can say such fairy tales.... :?

[Sorry for such steep words about Saarloos owners - I know people which really love wolfdogs and see disadvantages and advantages of their breed. But I have enough of people which asked about character of Saarloos start their description with "Distinct from Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs Saarloos are....."]

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Do someone have an Christopher's email address? Maybe someone should advice him to read something about breed he owns. :twisted: Maybe he thinks he is real VIP now but with such text he shows his huge ignorance of history of this breed. Sure CzW was created in Eastern Europe. Sure it was during the cold war. The idea was to create a Super-Dog... But the only man killer is the animal we can read about in "Little Red Ridding Hood". :mrgreen:

If he would read/ask something instead to hear to fables told by other people he would know the main application for CzWs was tracking work. Sure they were also trained for Schutzhund but all dogs in the army are trained for it.... 8)
If he would ask someone who worked and trained CzW he would know during all the time CzW were used on the border there was only one case the dog attacked a man (Mr. Christopher can ask Mr. Hartl directly and get it on the paper). The reason was the man tried to attack the dog so it was self-defence...

PS. Does anybody know something about his dog Paxoue? I never heard about him. Is it pure breed? Maybe he has so horrible character that Christopher Mad’dene decided dogs similar to him can be dangerous...?

Its clear for me - Christopher is absolutelly dilettante.
Yes, its true, CsW (like all police or military dogs) were trained to tracing and catch the people. BUT, and its the difference between reality and legends, which belive Christopher, such dog mustn't kill the people, because police or army need the people alive. They dont need kill only, the priority are the informations (because they need destroy whole organisation and not only catch and kill one man). I must say, that I never heard about any case, that on border in past kill the dog somebody.
Christoper, dont belive the fairy tales or action movies, its not reality !!! :cheesy:

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Originally Posted by Margo

Sure the published facts were not good for our breed - I read our dogs are shy (?), agressive. Saarloos compared to CzW are "social" (my favourite word now ;) ).
Just imagine - in that time most articles published in Polish dog magazines were reprints from French, German (simply said West European) magazines. And there was always the same: "Saarloos good, CzW bad". Many people were surprised I buyed CzW because they were sure Saarloos is perfect dog for work (because people from Search and Rescue groups use them for rescue people). :?

I am really tired of all these fairy tales, how Saarloos is great, working and SOCIAL! Since I moved to Belgium, I´ve met quite many of them, and most of them do not behave like great or social and I could not speak about working at all!
The only sort of "normal" Saarlooses I´ve seen so far were owned by Christa from Holland.. All the rest of Saarlooses that I saw at dog shows or other occasions were shy scared poor things. How can somebody love animal behaving like that and be happy about him being shy, is a mystery for me. And most of their owners really think, that´s how the dogs should be! Because of the wolf in them! But hey, it is such a nonsense. Of course, wolf is shy of a man, but that´s because normal wolf does not ever get socialised to humans, he lives in the wild. But of course, the wolf is not affraid of the environment, that he knows! And so if a wolfdog is raised in a family, then it would be only normal, if he is socialised to humans and is not affraid of the things, that surround him!

I am sure there must be more Saarlooses, that are normal ie socialised and behaving like normal dogs, but unfortunately their owners probably do not propagate them much. Pity.

And CSW is a man killer, because it did not lost it´s working abilities, because you can train it defense and because the dog can guard you, your house or garden? Blah. Every normal dog can do that.. So what is the problem?

We really do not need guys like Christopher to "propagate" our breed.

Mirka

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Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

I am sure there must be more Saarlooses, that are normal ie socialised and behaving like normal dogs, but unfortunately their owners probably do not propagate them much. Pity.

You know what is really surprising for me: Saarlooses are more wolfish than REAL wolves... :mrgreen: To all owners of shy, not socialized Saarloos Wolfdogs (and shy CzWs also) I suggest to visit for example Wolf Park Stobnica near Poznan where anyone can go into the wolf paddock: play with them, stroke them. They will even aport threw sticks... 8) And there are many other examples - good socialized Wolf ist still wild animal but it is not affaird of people as many Wolfdogs are.

Two weeks ago we worked with a wolf pack from Hungary - here is our first meeting with one of them - the young male wolf... :)
http://www.zperonowki.com/pics/galle.../aDSCF0047.JPG
http://www.zperonowki.com/pics/galle.../aDSCF0050.JPG

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Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

Fleur was not a canadian wolf,but a europeaan wolf,a very little one.Maybe someone can show a picture of her with Gerard the German shepherd,or take a look here http://www.clubs.nl/community/default.asp?clubid=44239
That at this time some SWH's more look like a Timber ore Canadian wolf,is maybe becaus in some country's breeders also have Wolf(hybrides).

And both ,CSW and SWH have very different types in the breed.I also have,1 very shy type,you can also say,very carefull and one good worker.

But if people wants to have a worker,I always say they must take a CSW.Most SWH only works when they want it itself.

Gr. Christa

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Originally Posted by Margo

After I buyed a CzW I found more information about CzWs on the Saarloos Wolfdogs owners web pages than on the sites about CzWs... ;) Sure the published facts were not good for our breed - I read our dogs are shy (?), agressive. Saarloos compared to CzW are "social" (my favourite word now ;) ).
Just imagine - in that time most articles published in Polish dog magazines were reprints from French, German (simply said West European) magazines. And there was always the same: "Saarloos good, CzW bad". Many people were surprised I buyed CzW because they were sure Saarloos is perfect dog for work (because people from Search and Rescue groups use them for rescue people). :?

[Sorry for such steep words about Saarloos owners - I know people which really love wolfdogs and see disadvantages and advantages of their breed. But I have enough of people which asked about character of Saarloos start their description with "Distinct from Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs Saarloos are....."]

That's why we have a special wolfdog day in Schoten at 4 juni.People can see both breeds and I hope that a lot of different dogs,from different breeders(very importent :wink: )come to this day.

I know that a lot of Saarloos people outside the netherlands ,reading homepages from people outside the land of origin(the same with the CWS)and than you get a wrong picture of the breed.

A Saarloos is not a worker,some of them are shy ,maybe careful is better word.
There are a couple of Saarloos TRAINED as a rescue dog,but they never WORKED as a rescue dog.
You can TRAINED them in many things,but don't do an exame or Match,they let you down.

They are both fine dogs,with there own character.My Solo is a little bit like a CWS,and I saw Shadow,last week ,and he is more like a Saarloos.So maybe it's more the way the breeders do there work, how the dogs are.

Hope ,you don't misunderstand me,because is difficult to say this things in another language.

Gr. Christa

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I would like that Christopher would come to the activity day in Schoten!
Then he could see how those "mankillers" and saarlooswolfdogs are just normal pets who behave normal and social.

Of course when people don't socialise their dogs or when they did not any obedience training some dogs can behave very weird! Such owners are total out of control with their dogs... :(
And then it seems sometimes that such dogs are acting like "man killers" :roll:
And that is not a special behaviour for wolfdogs... I know from the past, that there was a pack of newfoundlanders who did live total selfsupport. And after a few years it seems (for layman) that all these dogs were "mankillers". But after socialising and training they were behaving quitte normal.

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And both ,CSW and SWH have very different types in the breed.I also have,1 very shy type,you can also say,very carefull and one good worker

I am glad I know Christa and her dogs very well, just like much more honest saarloos owners :mrgreen:
And I am glad with all these honest people who tell and show that there are different types in the breed.
And that is exact the same in the CsW breed.... I did meet a lot of CsW in several country's, and I saw also very "shy" (sometimes even very frightened), but also very "agressive" CsW.
And that is just the same like in all other breeds!
And that is why I think it is importent for breeders to work together to have not all different types (exterior and behaviour) of Csw in future :mrgreen:

(yes, I know thats why there are bonitations. But not every breeder will go to CZ for this. So one of my big wishes is that a lot of breeders will use the forums of wolfdog to discuss about types in a honest way :wink: )
And maybe then we don't have to judge so fast about eachother... maybe we can find a way that more breeders feel "safe" on wolfdog and we can use this site for make things going in a better way)

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But if people wants to have a worker,I always say they must take a CSW.Most SWH only works when they want it itself

And that is why I like it to go to meertings, events, aso with these kind of saarloos people with my CsW's :cheesy:
Then we all cooperate and propagate together the both breeds in a honest way :D

On the dutch forum Christa did tell, that in saarloos world were also "story's about the CsW. But that she is glad that since tha last years with sevaral walkings together, everybody could see that also CsW are normal socialised pets :cheesy:

And that's why I hope that a lot of people from both breeds (with dogs from different breeders!) will also come to the activity day in Schoten (near Antwerpen) Then we can see eachothers breed, ask a lot, and see a lot.
And maybe then in futura there is more understanding and cooperation. Because we all love Wolfdogs! :cheesy:

greetings
Mijke

Hello, I am French and I excuse myself for my bad English, I is useful myself of a translator :wink: . In France we try to see what we can do against this insane, but it is not obvious. Thus veiled what it there with like explanations:

Thierry:

What the article does not say, it is that Christopher was constrained to make prick one of its Thèques, which suddenly had "péter leads" while being attacked without apparent reasons, to its 3 year old young girl (quietly lengthened on the settee family) and inflicting serious wounds to him.

And for margo: Veiled the address of are site or you will find his mall http://www.maddene.com/cadre_maddene.htm

I made an exposure to Luxembourg and I can say to you that I saw unapproachable Saarloos it attacked really maliciously, then has my opinion all error come only from the Master. My bitches are super nice. They adore the children. I think that they would not have to leave his/her daughter alone with the dog if it does not know not educated and besides one does not leave a dog alone with a 3 year old child... Thus with which it fault?

Sabine.

For me it is very interesting. Christopher alone is unknown in the world of CzW but this doesn't stop him from making such statements. Apparently there is someone who passed this silly description of CzWs as "Man killers" to him as he doesn't have enough experience with this breed.

I would like to point your attention to the sentence from the article:

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Another name becomes important to them: that of Cornelia Keizer, owner of the Louba-Tar breeding station, a reference for the breed in Europe

The name is also very often mentioned on his web site. I assume that she's the main source of information to Christopher. Maybe we should ask her if she shares the opinion of Christopher. This would be however very strange considering the fact that Mrs. Keizer breeds Saarloos Wolfhonds and Czechoslovakian wolfdogs aka "Man Killers".

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which suddenly had "péter leads" while being attacked without apparent reasons, to its 3 year old young girl

There is no such thing as "attack without a reason". There are two options:

1) the dog was ill (e.g. brain cancer) - this is very unlikely

2) the person who cared for the dog is guilty; not only didn't he trained the dog but the person allowed the dog to become unsocialized animal which attacks everyone because of fear (there must be a reason for attack and "fear" is a very good one). Don't forget according to scientific researches: in the last 50 years there was only one person killed by a wolf and the person was called little red riding hood :lol:. Every puppy is by birth a "tabula rasa" and it's the breeder and owner responsibility to socialize, educate and care for the dog and to make sure it becomes a social animal.

If a dog becomes "Man Killer" then there is only one person to blame - THE OWNER

Hi, all,

Bad news, guys, I'm french too! :oops:

Dharkwolf and Ness shared with you the main problem we faced today in France.

Przemek, reading your post, I think there is another possibility which can explain the dog bite the child... I acted as a secretary for the siberian husky club some years ago, and a man phoned me, asking for a new home for his dog, who bites her child's face, before he shoot him down!
After a while, he explained the dog was sleeping under a table, and the child walked on his legs when quiting his chair! Self-defense? Who's fault is it?

Before acting, one way or another, we need your opinion
Not only consideration about reasons (I thank you for your posts) or your love for your dogs (we all are convinced the CsV is not more dangerous than any other dog except when not correctly trained). Regarding the fact the CsV is quite young in western european countries, and have met (and meet?) opposition in native countries, how have owners, breeders react, yesterday (or today)??? Petition, article(s) in newspaper, action from the breed club?

Thanks in advance for your help

Philippe

Hello, here the response of Mad' Dene on the site: http://www.la-meute.org/viewtopic.ph...r=asc&start=15

I translates it for you as I can. :roll:

Christopher Mad' Dene known as:
Amis(es), and hurleurs of any hair, I will not enter no polemic, but engaging matter that me I assume them, no matter what thinks all and sundry of them, this message will be thus only and single and is only to carry some objective precision and elements, namely:
1/In the history of the dog, seldom an animal, at least since the dogs of wars to the Middle Ages, had had a "prize list" also directed attacks on man only Czech, race créee to clean No man' S Land of the ex empire named the USSR of any human presence in a radical and final way. The race was of elsewhere creates at the origin on request of Russian who found their shepherds German and other dogs of wars too "softwares" and insufficiently resistant in their task of physical elimination of the human beings trying to cross the aforementioned No man' S Land, that it acts spies trying to be introduced in the USSR or, with my more serious direction, oppressed defectors or populations trying to flee communist tyranny which, rappellons it, with fact 40 million died and was all except a model of humanism, y included/understood in his report/ratio with the Ici animal still it is the man which is to be blamed, the Czech some nombred' between you to believe of it the virulence and the hatred of certain remarks I for my part identified only two Czech typologies: guards, possibly gérables so main qualified, and the attackers, to proscribe Prendre similar risk on a race that of aucuns intend for general public appears irresponsible me and criminal. Concerning this chapter, it acts in fact, and even of history... I thus invite the ignares to inform myself and by then keep silent myself, which would constitute the outline of a pretence of Wisdom!
2/I have small Czech whom I adore and who live in family in company of three Saarloos and my children, it has néammoins a temperament to supervise and could not be put between all the hands... 3/Concerning the attack that my daughter underwent on behalf of Czech whom I made prick: My daughter was then old of three years and half, the dog had 10 months and had always lived in family, with it amongst other things... The day of the attack my wife, graduate amongst other things of the canine national school, was in the same part as Gwuilan and this young Czech. My daughter, base, played, the dog passed beside it without any particular demonstration, it made him a simple caress on the leg, which was worth two to him attack rapids and violent with the face before my wife cannot control it... 4 days with the urgencies, one of the wound which to 1 ready cm could have cost him an eye, the culpability which resulted from this in its small-minded person more than shocked by this act of pure free violence, of madness.... As for the dog, it was called Ophire, I adored it, I had never had a dog which is to me if devoué and who take as much pleasure to work in symbiosis with me, simply this WE there I were not there It wounded my daughter in her flesh and in his Heart, then me I killed my dog, after having done it sejourner more than two weeks in two behaviorists of reputations which is both arrived at the same conclusion as me, Rage and Madness, that of the men which have creates it more than the sienne.J' thus made the only decision resposable to be taken, because in the Animal, but also "domestos", is the aptitude necessary of this last to be lived with the Man, in the "House" of this one I am never driven in my report/ratio with the Animal and in the event with this one, neither by anger nor by revenge, with that either the vociferations of certains(es) among you will not change anything, the bleats of the herd never made the intelligence of the sheep... Then, for the first time in my family (knowing that I have, as my daughter grown in the medium of wolfhounds, and that my father quite front me educated some), we made the decision to put a term at the life of the one of our companions... This decision I only assume it, as I am alone vis-a-vis with my memories of this 10 month old pups which I often miss, and with the Love that my wife, my Daughter and me always carry to him in spite of its "choice". All things considered and ultimately, I am right poor a c*bip*(censuré) of responsible father, and vis-a-vis with your gibes the unconscious ones I will remain right in my boots, that you or not like it about it.
3/concerning my relationship with Corrie and the judgements that of aucuns and aucunes emettent, learn that Corrie with the best wolfhounds than I could see and work, learn that a this noble-hearted woman that I apprecie and that it has it it intelligence to respect the beings, me including, for what they are His course and mine are different, from there our opinions can be it also, and even if it is possible that my words ignite per moment its tripe, it has contrary to you the intelligence to hear and include/understand, or at least to test Corrie-Christopher, in all the cases it be, and that does not concern you.
4/Lastly, concerning my so-called blow of pub, will know queje do not need any by no means, and that I know, by experiment, which to sow the pleasing wind to collect the storm, not bay-trees. If thus my intention had been to look after my communication I there would certainly not be taken thus. It will be necessary for you to be solved there, I am only one poor c*bip*(censuré), father of family and responsible Homme, working with length of year with more than 80 animals, of which wolfhounds, and children, even of the handicapped or autistic children. I make my remarks only in the Hope to avoid you the fault of pride which I made: the love and raising are not enough vis-a-vis with the genetic selection, a machine of war remains a machine of war... but of course I do not expect that that is included/understood differently than by men and women, perhaps with the parents, is endowed with intelligence To conclude I do not seek to convince, I light... That those and those which the Light disturb continue to close the eyes, me I gained at least this in this small adventure which you try to transform into polemic, the good conscience to make you divide and my error and accuracy of my experiment;, please to throw them to the dogs, that concerns only you, though it is, to me, I always preféré the wolves. To the wise...
Hello. Christopher Mad' Dene

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1/In the history of the dog, seldom an animal, at least since the dogs of wars to the Middle Ages, had had a "prize list" also directed attacks on man only Czech, race créee to clean No man' S Land of the ex empire named the USSR of any human presence in a radical and final way. The race was of elsewhere creates at the origin on request of Russian who found their shepherds German and other dogs of wars too "softwares" and insufficiently resistant in their task of physical elimination of the human beings trying to cross the aforementioned No man' S Land, that it acts spies trying to be introduced in the USSR or, with my more serious direction, oppressed defectors or populations trying to flee communist tyranny which, rappellons it, with fact 40 million died and was all except a model of humanism, y included/understood in his report/ratio with the Ici animal still it is the man which is to be blamed, the Czech some nombred' between you to believe of it the virulence and the hatred of certain remarks I for my part identified only two Czech typologies: guards, possibly gérables so main qualified, and the attackers, to proscribe Prendre similar risk on a race that of aucuns intend for general public appears irresponsible me and criminal. Concerning this chapter, it acts in fact, and even of history... I thus invite the ignares to inform myself and by then keep silent myself, which would constitute the outline of a pretence of Wisdom!

My comment:
HEH...? :all_coholic

It is a joke, right?

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The race was of elsewhere creates at the origin on request of Russian who found their shepherds German and other dogs of wars too "softwares" and insufficiently resistant in their task of physical elimination of the human beings trying to cross the aforementioned

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oppressed defectors or populations trying to flee communist tyranny

:shock: Thank you Christopher for bringing light in here and sharing with us the true history of the breed. :twisted: Until now I though that Czechoslovakian wolfdogs were used as guard dogs on the borders of Czechoslovakia and were used mainly for their extraordinary smell sence and endurance. During the time when they were used on borders there were not a single case of killed person. But probably the words of breed founder, Mr. Hartl and other breed experts are just lies and your words are true.

But we know also other breeds which are for 100% worser. Don't forget the German Shepherdogs used by Nazis in the World War II. They were even used in concentration camps and for sure responsible for killing many people. And another one: Belgian Shepherdogs and Beaucerons - the result of whims of French and Belgian bourgeoisie who were for sure used only to oppress poor workers and to force them to slavery work. :lol:

And again I would like to ask Christopher: who is his source of such ridiculous information because for sure it's not any of experts from origin countries. :confused2

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Originally Posted by Christopher

3/Concerning the attack that my daughter underwent on behalf of Czech whom I made prick: My daughter was then old of three years and half, the dog had 10 months and had always lived in family, with it amongst other things... The day of the attack my wife, graduate amongst other things of the canine national school, was in the same part as Gwuilan and this young Czech. My daughter, base, played, the dog passed beside it without any particular demonstration, it made him a simple caress on the leg, which was worth two to him attack rapids and violent with the face before my wife cannot control it...

Sorry, but your words are simply unimaginable for me.... I breed and own Wolfdogs and your history says few things. But not about Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs but about YOUR dog. Who was the breeder? Was the puppy correctly socialized (sometimes the "kennel-breeders" which keep puppies in cages or "wolf-packs" without contact with people can so warp the character of the puppies that the future owner have a lot of problems with them. But I'm talking about shyness and not agression). Are you sure you treated your dog propertly? Attending the dog school says nothing about the character. Przemek wrote already about possible reasons - brain cancer, aso. But I also saw such behavoiur as you described by other dogs (you can see it by many dogs in anilam shelters). Overreaction by dogs is caused by extreme shyness and in many cases combined with cruel outlives in the past. So such behaviour can be seen by very week dogs (according the character) which do not feel safe and in problematic situations they can behave agressive and unpredictable (and it apply not only to CzWs but to very dog). So it is the reason why "week-character-dogs" are eliminated and not used for breeding nor by GSD, Dobermans, Rottweilers, Belgian Shepherd Dogs and any other working breed. Also Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs with such charater are not admited for breeding in origin countries - shy and agressive dogs are disqualified during the bonitations. It is a pitty in other countries there are not such texts for dogs and the breeder can use sinmply everything.... So for such behaviour of your dog you can not blame the breed but only you and the breeder of your dog...

Hi,all,

Margo, Przemek, and all of you, please don't waste your time trying to find any logical word either in article, answer or site of Mr Christopher Maddene... Fortunately, the only visible public words are in the newspaper article (it's enough...), and we are acting at the composition of a new article, in order to let readers know the truth... This article will be made of 3 part, a brief history and comments from 2 owners/breeders...

If you think about any particular point we need to insist on, just let us know!

Thanks in advance

Philippe

Phillippe,

I am affraid this forum is kind of very public as well! And if somebody reads here such a BULLSHIT (sorry had to say so) about CSW´s, what will they think? :evil:
It shows clearly that Christopher Maddene knows nothing about the history of the breed and nothing about the wolfdogs themselves. God knows from where he got his crazy informations. If he has it from the breeder who sold him his CSW, then it is really bad because Christopher might not be the only one, who was told such insane and untrue informations.
I think it is only good, if people show in the forum that they disagree with things that Christopher says. It helps to make clear to anyone who visits the website and reads about this case to get an idea, what is true and what is false.
On the French forum about the same thing there is more than 90 posts, so why people could not discuss it here also? :shock:

Mirka

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Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

On the French forum about the same thing there is more than 90 posts, so why people could not discuss it here also? :shock:

No, it is not the point - we can talk about it (and we must talk) but I think Philippe is right: it is impossible to find any logic, arguments or real facts in the texts written by Christopher Maddene.

It is really hard to treat seriously someone who is telling such lies and was not able even to deal with 10 months old CzW female (what finished as tragedy for small kid and also for the dog). But it is not enough if we will only talk about it here. There must be other steps because Christopher published his words in the newspaper so it is much more serious now....

Anyone can talk about everything - we have freedom of speech. But I think Christopher doesn't unterstand what it means and he doesn't know he must be responsible for this what he is telling. Freedom of speech simply do not mean freedom of telling lies....

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Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

On the French forum about the same thing there is more than 90 posts, so why people could not discuss it here also? :shock:

Hi, all,

Mirka, it seems there is a misunderstanding about my comments (may be not really clear)... What I wanted to say is : don't look for precise reasons which can explain the way Christopher is thinking such horrors about the CsV... Many things in his words, his attitude, preferences are self-predictive... But if you refer post after post to this person and his article, you maintain attention on him. Now, what about a single opinion faced to numerous ones? Examples, stories, descriptions of what a CsV looks like, act, work, play, coming from many different sources, can help to destroy the bad draw and to give back the right and true vision of the CsV, don't they?

Philippe

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Originally Posted by Philippe

Now, what about a single opinion faced to numerous ones? Examples, stories, descriptions of what a CsV looks like, act, work, play, coming from many different sources, can help to destroy the bad draw and to give back the right and true vision of the CsV, don't they?
Philippe

If they get public, yes, they might change things. But what do you suggest? I know you are about to publish another article in the same magazine, to explain things. But is there something we can do to help?

Mirka

As a person from a country which has no CSW at present,and as a person who is keen to learn more and one day import dogs to Australia,I can honestly ask-WHAT ON EARTH DID CHRISTOPHER MADDENE SAY??????
I couldn't understand any of his inane ramblings that were neither logical or rational.The best I could do was that his 10mth old CSW attacked his 3yr old child,but the circumstances as I understand that basically the child patted or grabbed or pinched the dog,the dog attacked-simple or was it.If you jump out behind an animal and touch it,it will see that action as an attack in a lot of cases and act on it by defending itself,most times it will threat display and move on,but if it sees the attacker as a threat it will bite.The question I'd like to ask was what was the relationship between dog and child,did the child often do this and did the parents teach the child that you should never,ever approach a dog from behind and touch it because it may become agitated,no matter how much you trust the dog.A DOG IS A DOG IS A DOG,it is still 75% wild,it will react by flight or fight,10000 years of domestication has not bred the wolf out of the dog.Children and dogs alone DO NOT mix.Christopher Maddene is a person looking for trouble and shouldn't be given a chihuaua to look after.
Simon

hey everyone, I just want to make 3 points.
1. This guy firstly is obviously biased and why any article would be written on him is beyond me. Firstly he has strong feelings towards war and the dogs use. And I can understand why he is afraid of the breed, any parent would feel that way after what happened. It's not logical it's instinct. So I understand where he is comming from.
2. This guy doesnt sound like he understands k9 behaviour. He never mentioned anything about the animals temperement. This animal could have thought itself dominant to the child and if it hasnt been around children much how is it to know how to react? And lets keep in mind it was only what 10 months old? How can you hold essentually another child responsible. Such a young animal and young child should be very carefully watched. I personally would be helping my 3 year old niece and nephew pat the dog and only for a short time. Children that age cannot help but give the dog a poke any more than a puppy giving a child a nip to see what happens. Thats how all babies learn.
3. Does this guy breed CWD's? Then he has no true understanding of the breed. Yes he can voice his fears, but he obviously has no experience with a group of cwd's so he can hardly be considered a good source of information.
I have carried on a bit but i believe all dogs come from wolves and all breeds needed to carry some level of aggression to perform there jobs. I personally think Kelpies should be watched carefully as they often are overly timid. They are cattle dogs so what is his piont? Sorry Sorry I will go :mrgreen:

Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs said to be Man Killers

Hello at all!and Philippe

I´ve two CWD plus three Childs.

The female dog is 8 years old and the male dog 3 years but i´ve buyed this male dog for 6 weeks ago!
My Childrens are 1,3 and 4 years old...my chidrens have respect to the dogs because of the greatness, they except them and the dogs except the children.
The male dog have had no experience with children, and he have no problems with them.He is very nice to them. :wink: In the morning he gave them kisses...

I`ll tell you a nice story:
my second boychild felix was 1year old when he loved to sleep between the legs of my female dog...she loved it,and it was a very nice picture. :mrgreen:

My Opinion is that:
You cannot leave a 10 month old Dog with a three years old child alone, because in this age plays every race of dogs very hard and a three years old child is too little for that kind of play and so it will come to an accident...Not the Dog is wrong! Only that person who allows this kind of play.

Phillipe if you need Photos for your article Cwd and Children you can take a look under Dajka Draga Feherlofja, I´m sure you´ll find some

Bye Birgit

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The dog (wolfdog and even though the wolf) is the mirror of the owner. independent of the breed, the size and the color.
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Hello!
I was shocked hearing such things about wolfdogs!
I have i male wolfdog, now 2,5 years old,
we have no childrean at home but from time to time I have some guests also with childrean
my wolfdog never acts dangerous!
he loves to play with them, he even listens to their commends!
I have some photos of them if someone can't believe
http://www.zperonowki.com/pics/galle...h_P4220111.jpg
http://www.zperonowki.com/pics/galle...h_P4220129.jpg
http://www.zperonowki.com/pics/galle...h_P4220110.jpg
I also agree that we can't leave a very little child with a wolfdog, but it is the same with any big dog!

As you can see he is really a man killer! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Ori

As you can see he is really a man killer! :lol:

OK, we can add next 6....7(?) real killers.... :mrgreen:

http://www.zperonowki.com/pics/galle...Mateusz_12.JPG

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

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The dog (wolfdog and even though the wolf) is the mirror of the owner. independent of the breed, the size and the color.
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EXACTLY.

what do you think about ?

hello

I made a "petition" against this article moreover thanks to people who agreed to send their experiments to me, I made an article which should leave on the site loup.org if people have knowledge in translation I want their to send well by mail

C B E I should receive the petition and the article very soon if people have remarks that they hessite not

by advance thank you

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petition!!

We owners and stockbreeders of Czechoslovakian dogs wolves (C L T) and of the dogs wolves in general are brought to protest high and strong our indignation following the article in the Last News of Alsace and of which here an extract: “Bus if Christopher dedicates a true worship in Saarloos, this dog born in the Thirties of the loves of a German shepherd and Fleur, a she-wolf of Russia, it does not have enough strong words to speak about the Czech wolfhound, a hybridization created in the Eastern European countries, in full period of cold war, a “dangerous aberration”, a killer of men of which it disadvises acquisition formally. “ “Saarloos, like the Czech should remain confidential dogs, animals reserved for people knowing perfectly the behaviors canine and lupin. ”

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Indeed the Czechoslovakian Dog Wolf is a dog which was envisaged and raised as a watchdog border, (temperament and endurance higher than B A). Since 1958, by very rigorous selections it is today an excellent dog of work well in its head, needing to be spent daily and to have a very rigorous education. It has a physique and a mentality asking much attention and softness. Much more sensitive than one cannot think it, it has only one only Master, hates loneliness and needs his pack which is often the family. It is very independent and acts in a way posed and considered, it is a dog which deserves itself, which must have a Master conscious of his needs and its needs. In other words informed and considered people.

We know all what such articles can generate (cf rottweiler). Such a judgement is out of matter and lack of objectivity. That concerns the denigration pure and simple, that is not to in no case acceptable and this whatever the race concerned. We deplore this kind of reaction which can come only from ignorant people of the real nature of this splendid dog; because the love of the truth and the love of the dogs go together. This is why to inform on true nature of this race and to put forward its real aptitudes (tracking, obedience, agility etc.) us appears paramount.

We do not doubt your support which you can concretize by signing this petition that we will transmit to the club of race (C B E I)

By advance thank you in the name of impassioned dogs wolves and races in general.

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Hello here a small presentation of the Czechoslovakian dog wolf: First of all a little history: In 1955, at the time in CSSR, one crossed by way of biological test the German shepherd with the wolf of Carpates. These tests showed as it is possible to obtain and to as well raise a descent by the crossing wolf/bitch as by the crossing dog/she-wolf. The majority of these products of crossing had the genetic aptitudes necessary to the continuation of the breeding. In 1965, the once finished experimentation itself, one worked out a systematic of this new race, judicious project of breeding to link and draw the best possible party from advantageous qualities of the wolf and favorable aptitudes of the dog. In 1982 the Czechoslovakian dog wolf was recognized as a national race by the committee of associations of stockbreeders of the CSSR of the time. A SUCCESSFUL HYBRIDIZATION The Czechoslovakian Dog Wolf or “Ceskoslovenky Vlcak” is with the Dog wolf of Saarloos one of the two only officially recognized races born from crossing recent between the dog and the wolf, species inter fertile like all are canidés domestic the or wild ones. The history starts into Czechoslovakian, at the end of the Fifties, with the section cynophile of the guards borders of Libejovice (Bohemian of the south), which as many other military units all over the world uses German Shepherds. In order to improve the physical performances and resistance of the dogs, the idea is essential to try crossing with the wolf, then to consign the results of the experiment. The initiator of the program is colonel KAREL HARLT, section head. The first hybrids of she-wolf BRITA and the German Shepherd Cesar Z Brizoveho haje are born on May 26, 1958. BRITA is coupled then with the German Shepherd Kurt Z Vaclavky. The products, including one certain number are sent as Slovakia, are tested from the behavior point of view and endurance, and are crossed with other German Shepherds. The hybrids of 3rd then 4th generation are used without difficulties by the army; certain civil undertake some has their turn the breeding.

Another line is founded with the kennels of the police force of Bychory, with the wolf ARGO and the female German Berger Astra. The regeneration of the German Shepherd is prolonged in the creation of a new race. One starts to speak about "Dog Czech Wolf" and the results of work are published, meeting a clear animosity on behalf of the amateurs of German Shepherds. In the years 1970, the general political context being more critical after the invasion of the country by the troops of the Warsaw Pact, the majority of the dogs are sent as Slovakia, meadows of Malacky, they integrate the kennels of the section of the guards borders of Bratislava. Major Frantisek Rosik deals with the program. A third wolf, Sarik, enrich the livestock: it is coupled with two hybrid females. Within sight of the essential role of the Slovak ones, which will take again the torch of the selection of the race, it from now on is indicated like "Czechoslovakian Dog Wolf"; in Tchéquie, the breeding périclite, before beginning again in 1981 thanks to subjects coming from Slovakia. A last contribution of wolf is operated in 1983 with the crossing of German Shepherd BOJAR VON SCHOTTERHOF and the Ledjy she-wolf. On the whole, the race was thus built starting from four wolves and of various German Shepherds, being thus maintained within the framework of a good genetic variability.

For a long time, the Czechoslovakian authorities cynophiles remain refractory with the recognition of the race. But it is finally thing made in 1982, year with an official club is founded; between 1982 and 1991, 1.552 pups are registered with the book of origins. In 1993, it is the scission of the country, in two independent states; the club also separates in two groups, which each one deal with the breeding in their respective country. The recognition of the race by the FCI becomes completely official in 1994; the responsibility is entrusted by it to Slovakia. The Czechoslovakian Dog Wolf integrates the group of the sheepdogs, with test of work. Into France, it is imported during the Nineties. The race is there still extremely rare, with only some subjects, as it is the case in other European countries. Put aside Tchéquie and Slovakia, it remains a little more frequent in countries bordering like Austria.

My small reaction in response to the messages of the two protagonists at the origin of this post. First of all one can only all regret what arrived at this small girl of course it could not be of it differently, but will know that following this unhappy accident my glance carried to my Dogs did not change for as much. Dice my first visit, dice my first contact with a CLT, I was conscious of that of which I planned to make return to the house. It was not about the "small Doggie" to its mémère with which one was going to play "BABALE", without for that being a deer intended to live out of cage, but well of a very particular Dog with which one was going to maintain a relation quite as particular. Mine (because I have happiness to have two of them) live outside what permanently does not prevent me from being with them (even a little too with the statements of some at the house), they of course côtoient all the other members of the family, the ones more than of others, it is for me a passion and I do not want to force people to divide it. My small daughter as often as it can it, badly likings that it is also often disappointed their attitudes "why do not bring they back not this famous BABALE? ", my small catch is not reassured too much him then I do not force it and redoubles attention when it is with them and as for my wife, she takes the changing during my absence and without aucuns concern. Then if the goal of this article were preventive I find that it was not necessary to write it and if it were very different it were not need to speak about the CLT. I think that just like me, people who became owners of CLT knew very well what they did and this with what to leave it EC marvellous Chien. To say that it was creates and used by people with a quite precise aim in the beginning yes, that there were difficult subjects with starting certainly, but this time there is quite completed, this Dog east left the barracks, intended now for impassioned, selection and the objectives of the stockbreeders turned to other things. That of which it was treated in this article, is not the prerogative of the CLT, any Dog being useful in the army, organizes or gendarmerie is able to hold an individual in respect and to even neutralize it if need be, it was not necessary of him to give exclusiveness in it. What is now likely to occur, it is to attract malevolent people, the undesirable ones to be interested in this marvellous Chien. Then to answer and continue to attract crowd or then, like that were proposed, to prepare something for the day or this kinds ears of the legislators

Hello, I am called Uinseann, but everyone calls me Sean. The EC what I could hear, that wants to say “conqueror” as a Celt, and I find that this first name suits me rather well! That made now a little more than one year that I share my life with my adoptive human family. After having left mom and my brothers and sisters a little before my 3 months I was thus taken charges some by my new mom and my new dad. I was rather content, because I had also full buddies with me: a she-cat and two horses. One has fun often together. I learned how to be wary of their back legs, and they learned how to prevent me when I annoy them too much: they raise their shoes and seem to say to me: “If you given up not in the 10 seconds, the blow will leave! ! ” Ca goes rather well since one never fought. They like when I scrape the chamfer with my teeth to them, there is of them even one of both which tightens me its blow so that I continue. I have chance because dad and mom deal well with me and even if times they are a little severe, I believe that it is because I try to become a small chief. I understood well that that did not go like that. It should be said that dad, as regards buddy-dog, it knows himself there a little, because he always had of it (and apparently they had character! ! !) The morning, when I hear the alarm clock, I will sit down to dimension bed and I look at mom. It is always it which rises in first. I couine a little, I encourage it. When it does not come, and Ben I turn over to lie down and tests itself a little later. I am content when it rises, I say to him hello, and it also it is content. I annoy it a little when it threads its pyjamas, it, that all the time does not make it laugh. Then one goes outside, so that I make my needs. Often I Re-return with it. While it take its shower, me I recouche. As dad sleep, I benefit from it and I go up on the settee. And then after one alarm clock dad. I will give to eat with the horses with him. When I return to the house, Sam who is 6 years old is lunching. Me I wisely wait to dimension of it because when it does not manage to finish its milk bowl, and Ben it gives it to me. It is funny, because it makes like dad and mom: “Sean, sitting, not to move”. She poses the bowl beside my mess tin and she says “go! ” and there I have the right of me empiffrer. Sometimes it plays cat perched with me. I always do not include/understand what she wants but good, I runs to him afterwards and when she climbs some share and that she cry “not” and Ben I stop and I assoie. Ca makes it much laugh! What makes laugh dad and mom, it is that sometimes they leave us all alone in the house to go to seek something outside, and when they return and Ben they all the time find me lying with its feet! I do not see what is funny, it is normal that I supervise my small sister! Sometimes she shouts me after because I wants to play doll's tea party with her, and it appears that I annoy it more than another thing. Such an amount of worse for it, I will seek my girlfriend the she-cat to run to him afterwards. Often it cheating and it is of bad mood, it does not want to play with me. And after it brings back themselves like a flower and comes to prick of the croquettes in my mess tin! ! ! When dad and mom go to work, and that Sam is at the school, I remain at the house, I make a little silly things to occupy myself (I adore to dig holes!). The evening when they return one plays in the garden with my balloon. As soon as the weather is nice, one goes down to the river to bathe. Me I adore water! Or one will walk with the horses. And then after eaten, everyone will lie down. I am tired so much that I sleep of a feature all the night without annoying anybody. And then the alarm clock sounds.

hello with 2 CLT and 3 little children My Dogs like to be inside the House around the whole of day family and night. Maintaining the History: of my children and me had sat in the garden. David and Felix played between the dogs it was a pleasant image. When Felix started to cry (bus fallen by ground; the dogs come and look at what arrives is really pleasant, the dogs deals with my children like its pups…. Simon had 7 months then when it started to cry, the oldest dog comes to him and looks at it wondering which arrives and Sees whether it could help it.

My children David 3 years, Felix 2 years and Simon 12 months live with 2 dogs Czechoslovakian wolf Anka (8 years) and Barnie Z Uher (3 years) together in our house. The dogs live surroundings 90% in the house, in dining room they are there only when I want it, because it is necessary for me of place for that. Anka was 5 years old, when my first David child was born. It accepted immediately and never has was jealous or malicious. At the beginning I showed with my two dogs the worn “Pampers” so that they are accustomed. My Labrador Charlie was a little skeptic at the beginning what changed very quickly. this time we still lived in the apartment with 3 rooms of my husband. (In November 2002, we moved in our own house of series with a small garden). My children are in oneself careful with the dogs and leave them in peace, if it is necessary. One day my small Felix with 13 month wanted to examine the teeth of Anka, to hide between their legs, that appeared comfortable because it fell asleep with the hollow of the belly. It plays that with calms with the children. My Charlie dog died Ã 15 years last November. Since the 23.01.2005 Barnie lives with us, it was in the emergency mediation, at the beginning I paid particularly attention, because it did not know the environment and secondly front it did not live with children. And thirdly it is still impetuous and thus can without wanting it to wound the little children; as other large dogs can do it too. I go regularly with my dogs in a canine club. Anka makes a program of obedience and of agility and it also Ã the formation of the dogs of rescue takes part. Barnie takes part in the courses of obedience, the service of protection and the way. As Ca my two dogs are employed to the maximum. Each day one goes for some 3 hours walks and excursions of bicycle with the children and the dogs. The evening, the dogs are on their places of layer in the stay. Barnie was accustomed marvelously. The CLT is dog super which only seeks to be loved. They are perfect dogs for families

The stories does not resemble each other but have a whole a common point: the love of the owners of the dogs and an overflowing passion what do not have this passion and this will to do something with their dog stops very quickly and this in spite of the warnings of the stockbreeders .L' history with my dog is not an account of fairies farmhouse approaches them a real complicity and agreement and this in spite of the silly things: opening of the doors, display of the litter for cat in all the house, hole in the ground or the pup can be put entirely inside without counting the last destruction of door of the bird cage because all alone in the car. If not of good large bursts of laughter. My dog tex adores to sleep the belly in the surface japper in its sleep

with the children it was a little “BRUTUS “but with the age it became more protective became calmer. Tex began in education (first of all socialization then education) and to finish it makes has the hour current of obedience and tracking. The courses of obedience have twice per week; are never very long and the exercises are repeated only if it is not well made; if not it refuses there to continue. The exercises must be varied if not it ignores some. Tex is a dog which includes/understands very quickly but it is necessary that it sees its characteristic intéré it is all that characterizes the race. At the time of stroll it is very fond of delicacies of meeting calves cows sheep and dogs of any hairs .Un day by trotting me with friends I moved away a little from them in a little bulky wood and well I said to him to seek them and it found all the participants of this strolls in a fast way it prevents me if it does not know the people

On the other hand he likes to run after the joggeurs this concern was restored quickly because their educations should not be missed. Impetuosity is overflowing and one must channel this ardour by the long one strolls (it in raffole) but especially he wants to always know or I am are dogs extremely attaching and which unceasingly seek the affection of its Master .je do not have nor not children but in the park downtown he meets a certain number of it and this without concern but always under monitoring brought closer .com me for any dog. My dog in the family is the last of the pack in a hierarchical plan; and it is at the very least of primary importance because they have a very thorough direction of the hierarchy. This is why the Czechoslovakian dog wolf is not an easy dog because it must be to educate in any other manner that major the part of the dogs known as family because, it is necessary to be conscious of the duties and of the need for such a dog a good reflexion is of setting as well as a good knowledge cynophile is advised but all this will not replace the love has to bring to them which must be unbounded that makes it possible to include/understand it well. Education must be strict but in a velvet glove. Are dogs much more sensitive than one cannot think it bus under his rustic carapace hides a heart of “wolf” tender but full with promptness. The endurance belongs to its qualities which make of him an untiring trotter; this is why very long strolls are necessary for him for its balance and its good condition which make of him a partner for days sporting and if you finish tired; he will redemandera of it still always more .Il very quickly recovers in order to be always ready A to set out again for new moment of complicities with its only Master. All the disciplines are carried of its legs tracking, obedience, agility, flyball cani cross-country race, etc…. the whole is to find the good manners of justifies

A dog selected for its aptitudes for raising, in fact for the attack, is by definition a balanced dog, therefore nondangerous with the direction ethologic of the term. Consequently, to put forward this characteristic (race created for the attack) to underline the dangerosity of this dog there there, is rather contradictory, since what characterizes the dangerous dog is the unpredictability and the inconsistency, “qualities” preventing the trainings.

Here while hoping to have been rather clear on true the nature of the Czechoslovakian dog wolf and not Czech wolf!! Thank you impassioned all Czechoslovakian dog wolf which were mobilized and contributed in this article in any forms, testimony or photography.

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I ask you for forgiveness for the length of this text and the some errors which infiltrated in the translation if people wish the text original would be with pleasure as well as the petition :mrgreen:

Re: what do you think about ?

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Originally Posted by paida99

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It was very good idea to write such text! :D I like it.
It is only a pitty you have to prepare and send petitions only because ONE man was not able to handle his dog.... :|

hello

I know well but we cannot accept of such matter more especially as nobody never has (my knowledge has) problems like that.