feeding pup cwd
 

Hi could you tell me the best food to feed my CWD she 10 weeks and any informaion you could give me please Regards Richard

Where are you (most countries have different lines of food)?

I would personally stay away from puppy food. They usually have very high protein that can lead to some growing issues.

we stay in uk carlisle

I´m sorry for correcting you , draggar - but new reasarch has shown without any doubt that high protein containing of food for puppies does NOT cause any problems.

The difficulties can only come from too high calories / fat containment or / and simply too much non- natural food given to the youngsters.

Problems also happen mainly with artifical food , but normally not if you feed "Barf", that means natural food like meat, bones, fish and so on...

That`s because of the higher energy containment in the artifical food . It´s a concentration of calories which is normally not given in any natural food. ( if you not try to feed your puppy three times a day with pure lard...:grins)

So in the main thing I agree with draggar - I also would not use commercial puppy- food. But of the reasons I told above, not because of too high protein.

Best greetings, Silvester

You should always watch the ingredients - if you do use commercial food and are in the USA avoid foods that list a "fat" product in the first 4-5 ingrediencts.

As for "natural" foods - giving them raw chicken once a week may not be a bad idea. Most grocery stores in diverse neighborhoods or meat markets / butcher shops will carry chicken backs. Grocery stores will normally sell half backs (1/2 the back) - meat markets / butcher shops will have full backs (both halves and the neck). Give them 2 half backs or 1 full back once a week (including the bones - they help keep teeth clean).

DO NOT COOK THE CHICKEN! Runce it under very hot water like you were preparing it for yourself then tive it to the pup as is. Your first few times you might also want to give a little kibble after (1/2 cup?) with some molases in it to help with any potential diarrhea issues that may come around.

Raw food is great but can get extremely expensive. BARF is great food, don't get me wrong, but it is very expensive here.

For commercial foods (available in the USA) we've primarily used Roay Canin's GSD forumla and Taste of the Wild.

Draggar thank you very much this is a great help, so you give the chicken raw and with kibble once a week what would you feed it on every day? also what is the best for vitamins

I was feeding my dog RAW for 4 years, then decided to change to kibbles (Orijen), but after few months came back to RAW and I plan not to change it anymore. She likes to eat it, I like it how she looks. I never put meat under hot water, even if a meat is allready smelly - she only finds it better tasting. After torturing dog with kibbles, she started to like even sea fish :lol: Sometimes i even feed Brukne every other day - but then she gets a double portion, seems like this also suits her.

do you have one of Lee's pups if so i have one from his last litter and been feeding her raw food and table scraps from getting her and she is doing ok

Putting the chicken under hot water is to kill any microbes (like e-coli) on the aurface of the chicken (whcih is normally killed in cooking but this isn't cooked).

I just wonder who puts the chicken under hot water for wolves in a forest? 8) When a dog eats raw meat and bones, his stomach "juice" become very acid - so acid, that no bacterias from chicken can harm one. This is the reason why dog should not be fed "mixed" food like kibble and meat at once, this may lead to gastritus.
Pixie, table scraps are for pigs, not for dogs. Could you also please use punctuation marks?.. It is so difficult to understand what you are writting and whome...

Vaiva is right. Dogs - if they are feeded with "Barf" , means with natural raw food - are just like wild canines very well adapted to eat ANY raw meet, even if it´s already stinking... Like hyeanas they can also feed on cadavers without getting any problems in health. Our dogs are dogs , not humans inside a fur- coat. In nature, wolves , coyotes and foxes are not only predators but also play the role of garbage collectors as well, means they eliminate and remove cadavers.

Best regards, Silvester

We could take your debate even further - dogs evolved eating our refuse (garbage) - vlcaks are still mostly dog (as opposed to wolf). Should we let them eat out of the garbage cans? ;-)

The reason we do it is because there is a lot of bad bacteria that can grow on raw chicken, especially on the surface. While te chances are low that it can make them sick, why not take 5 minutes and make it even lower? I don't see any negative to rinsing the chicken under hot water (and letting it cool a little before serving) - cooked chicken meat (not bones) and organs aren't bad for dogs and it's not hot enough or long enough to make the bones brittle.

I look at it this way, 5 minutes, maybe a gallon or two of hot water, and a strainer or small pot to rinse them off in for a little extra peace of mind.

Hey draggar, hello ! - yeah, you are right also, of course you can clean the meat under hot water. This will not cause any difficulties and may be you have a better feeling by doing so.

But Vaiva indeed is right - it´s not needed for a healthy normal dog.

All the dogs are fed prey model raw here, which differs from BARF without the inclusion of vegetable matter.

Whole animals are common on the menu.. Found a lovely supplier locally and will soon be getting some whole goats.

You are totally right, but I think it is much better for imune system to learn to deal with various bacterias - we all know, that a child, who grew up in sterile surroundings, will most probably be more sick and have more allergies, than the one, who was growing up "normally". Ofcourse, this is not a suggesion :lol: but children from associal familys are mostly much more resistant than the ones with crazy mothers, who bath them in Kalii permanganas.
I think for a dog it is healthy to roll sometimes in cows "pie", to eat raw meat, to play outdoors even if it is raining or snowing or have a drink from a spring ;-) But it is just my amateur possition.

By table scraps i mean whatwe leave on our plates not peelings etc, sorry about the punctuation, will try harder.

Still it is not good for dogs. Unless you do not use any salt, sugar or spices, no E621 and similar stuff in food - then it is at least not harmull, but really not usefull...

Chocolate and beer is not useful but i enjoy them as treats, as do my dogs enjoy table scraps but the scraps from 4 plates is not much between 3 dogs so hardly worth all the worry

Well, these are your dogs, not mine, but their liver are not ment to deal with spicies and similar. I use nuts (almond, hazel) when I want to do something for my dog to enjoy ;-)

just to put your mind at ease, we dont give them anything that is highly spiced like curry or chilli and also avoid giving them cakes,puddings etc its normally just a bit of left over meat and veg, I understand where you are coming from and agree you do have to be careful what you give them, so don't worry my dogs health is very important to me and my family. Thanks though for trying to be helpful and giving some good advice.

Hi no i have not got one of Lee pups i got her from devon uk ,i intend to breed of her in 2 years just looking for informaion on how to keep my bitch healthy, and what to feed her on when a pup some people are saying raw chicken how often would you give it when pup

Depends on what part of chicken. Bone content shouldn't make up more than about 10% of raw diet by weekly average and certain chicken parts especially the popular cheap parts are mostly bone. And even whole chicken by itself is not a completely balanced meal. It would be lacking in copper and other minerals that you can provide with beef liver. A diet with at least half in red meats would supplement a chicken-based diet well.

hi :-) i believe my dog is your pups uncle ;-)

i would worry ,(as you are new to this )if you was to start raw with a growing pup,i would research more and until then use a 'non cereal' content kibble of good quality. fish4 dogs ,oriejn,acana,totw then you know she is getting everything balanced until you are confident to feed raw.jmo.

eta... are you hoping to breed pure csv?

yes pure csv her father is Reo from Andre Tanner in Devon i thank you very much for your information im a good learner had dogs all my life, but a first for csv thats why im asking for advise

I usually feed a high-quality kibble supplemented with several things to make sure all my bases are covered. Once or twice a week they get raw chicken backs to keep their teeth clean (raw marrow bones are great for this too).
For optimal joint development I use Ester-C, glucosamine-chondroitin and MSM in their food (approx. 1500mg of each for an adult vlcak). I also use InFlight Coat Formula as a supplement and the difference in their haircoat quality is amazing. I also will occasionally supplement with fish oil (or canned mackerel in brine).
I recently went to a nutrition seminar focused on bitches in whelp and developing puppies and there is strong evidence that tyrosine supplementation makes for easier breeding and larger, healthier litters. I have found that true in my own experience after having used Royal Canin's "HT42D" formula with my own GSD bitch. The tyrosine link was first discovered in Germany's "Auman study" and RC went ahead and developed a special food for bitches from their 1st day of heat to the 42nd. THe tyrosine dosage is proprietary, but I am guessing for a large bitch it would be 500mgs, so that is what I am supplementing.
Good luck with your female - optimal health is paramount for producing healthy puppies...

Interesting though not surprising. Tyrosine is found in high doses in many meats, eggs, and soy items. In a 200 calorie serving of raw egg white, there's over 1900mg of tyrosine. Many fowl (turkey, chicken, quail) in identity portions contain nearly as much. So in a species appropriate meat heavy diet, tyrosine shouldn't be in any short supply.. in fact if 500mg extra is the goal, it would be as simple as adding an extra egg or a few spoonfuls of cottage cheese to their daily food. Cool.

optimal health is paramount for dogs full stop ;-)

Emm... And do you use so many suplements yourself? :shock:
Also... RC is a good food, but it is still full of chemistry...

Hmmm.... let me see - this (or other species of animal) is the optimal food for dog I think...:ffod

Best regards,

Uli alias Silvester

One friend liked to say, she would love to have a little mouse farm for her dogs - this would be really perfect :)

Does she have tiny little dogs? :shock:

I think a goat or sheep farm would be more suitable... :lol:

Well, a dog can eat a whole mouse with fur, digested food, lactating and pregnant mice - and this is a very nice variety :D You just need 0,5 kg of mice every day. And you do not need a big place for mice farm, and they breed very quickly. And it is a myth that wolves only eat deers and bisons - they also eat snails and frogs, because they are easy to catch.
Hmm, rabbit farm would be a solution, but I think I would find it difficult to kill a rabbit...

But yes, she has smaller dogs :D

No argument from me that mouse is good whole prey.. but with my 4, I'd need several dozen a day, I'd think.. or some really big mice.. :o:lol:

Hm, mice produce very fast, so this is possible :D Maybe not every day, but still...
Well, yes, maybe it should better be a rat, guinee pig (not sure about spelling :oops:) or - as mentioned above - rabbit farm. Time to move to a countryside :rock_3

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/giant-rabbit2.jpg

:ffod

Hey, this is a Godzilla- rabbit !!! Or Dr. Frankenstein´s dream of the ideal pet ??:grins

Or is it a wild rabbbit mutant from Tschernobyl ?

May be it is simply caught in the city- area of Vilnius.... after midnight ??!:sweetCyberM
( Ok, Vaiva . don´t be offended - it´s a joke only !)

I think this kind of rabbit will feed all of your 4 dogs, yukidomari !

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm godzilla Rabbit ,Dr Frankstein dream ,really ha ha ha

We need to get a breeding pair in Bulgaria - that would solve lots of issues with the pack (humans included)!!:grins

http://connect.in.com/hydrocynus-gol...54c2adf03.html

May be people who have this monster-rabbit also have this fish in their garden- pond ....instead of a goldfish !:diablotin

(It´s a so called African Tigerfish or in latin : Hydrocynus goliath - but you can only meet and say hello to it , if you are swimming in Congo- river...)

I want to add, that african people say it´s the only fish which is not afraid of crocodiles - and it´s also called "African piranha".

Nice dreams to everybody !

Silvester

Or, maybe they do have goldfish:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/net/20100908/c...t7XXc7Kb5nOg--

Hey Yuki ! - fine picture , it seems to me that this is the ultimate "Koi",
isn´t it ??

But how do you like this ?:

http://amazingdata.com/mediadata9/Im...0457212676.jpg

This is without any doubt enough meat for your 4 dogs - I´m sure !:thumbs

Silvester

:shock:.. I think my dogs would be too scared to eat that... :shock:

I would be scared to keep such a goldfish too - may be one day it´s swalling my dog ??