Utonagan
 

I've been trying to find somebody who has Utonagan puppies for sale. If anybody knows how I could get a male and female, please let me know. I think these dogs are very beautiful, and would love to own them and breed them. From everything that I have read, they sound like they have great temperments and great personalities. I'm a big collector on wolves. I think they are very facinating. I just wouldn't want one as a pet. These dogs are the closest thing to them that I could get. Please, if you have any information, let me know. thanks

If you are in the UK look on the web also under Northern Inuit,both are the same breed just a difference of opinion between breeders.
These are not in anyway wolfdogs,just bred to look similar without any wolfblood.
Paul

Utonagan
 

Hi there, there is an official site for Utonagan which is www.utonagan.co.uk, if you visit this and contact the secretary or chairperson they can place you on the waiting list for a puppy.

I live in the United States. I'm trying to find someone that can maybe ship some over here, or if anyone has them in the United States, I can pick them up.

I do not like the look of the Utonagan dogs at all, but for those who want to see them, maybe check this link: http://www.utonagan.net/

Mirka

Hmmm.... I visited this link and I was really surprised while reading:

A Timber Wolf alternative
A Saaloos Wolfdog alternative
A Czechoslovakian Wolfdog alternative :shock:

Can somebody tell me what Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs have to do with this breed? Please don't understand me wrong - I'm really for founding new breeds but writing such words means that people who made this page have no idea about CzWs....

1) I can't find the information that Utonagan were made for work so how can this dogs be an alternative for Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs? :wink: Or maybe I'm wrong and there are really some Utonagans with IPO, SchH, SAR-exams or similar certificates?

2) Utonagans are German Shepherd, Malamute and Siberian Husky crossings. And they are still very similar to Malamutes or Siberian Huskies. It means they have something to do with American Wolfdogs and maybe with Saarloos. But with CzW? ....nothing.... :?
CzWs were crossings between GSDs and EUROPEAN Wolves and they look totally different. I can't imagine that someone can think looking on the pictures of Utonagans that it is a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog or European Wolf... Even a layman can see the differences... 8)

I tink they mean for people who like the look of CWD or any of the others that these are another type of dog breed to consider before choosing. Not that it is identical. It might mean that only people who are truly interested in CWD will come here and that people that just want a look alike wolf will go there. There are obvious differences between the two but they are simillar. I like the fact they say alternative instead of better or worse. I think all these dogs are gorgeous.

I understand it. :D But the differences between both two breeds (Utonagan and CzW) are simply to big.... Just imagine I will write:

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog
A Belgian Malinois alternative 8)

What will you say about it? That it is right because CzW and Malinois are dog breeds and CzW as different breed can be an alternative.
Or maybe you will think that if I write it is an alternative than I'm talking about the characteristics of CzW and you will await that CzW is so great dog for agility and protection work as Malinois?

Having visited the site I discovered THE TRUTH :) : Armin in an utonagan :mrgreen: :mrgreen: This is a joke, of course, but... who knows? :D

:mrgreen:
I'm not so sure about Armin, but his children with Lupina (all three Mutaras) are Utonagans for 100% - it is not a joke. :cheesy:

Hi,

there could be a little bit of truth in Margo's idea about the similarity of the Mutara-crosses and the Utonagan.
But the other way round.I personally don't think,although the Utonagan(I wouldn't call it a breed yet) doesn't look very wolfish ,was not only bred from the three breeds mentioned on the link above.
To me it is very obvious that at least one or even a few Saarloos-Wolfdogs (not CWDs) were used to create this type of dog.
But of course, as we know it from many other so called breeds,nobody would tell it.
If you look on the standart of the Utonagan you will see that it is nearly impossible to breed such a type of dog within 15 years out of GSDs,Huskies and Malamutes.
The other question is,why does anybody want to create a type of dog out these three working breeds.
Just for the looks,just for monetary reasons,just for an idea ?


Regards,

Michael

Believe it or not, wolves sell. Lots of people seem to feel a strong empathy with wolves for some reason. Though unfortunately many of them have little to no idea of what wolves are really like. I don't know if this was the basis for the creation of the breed, but the way the website is created notably this
"We are an alternative to all other wolf like breeds"
sounds like a marketing ploy of some kind. (And I agree with Margo... those dogs are as close to a CLT as a teckel is to a basset... yes they are roughly the same size, yes they are roughly the same shape, but you would have to be blind not to see the difference)

(short edit to correct a typo... can't stand typos at least not my typos)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Lupina been claimed to be a Canadian wolf? If Mutaras look like Untonagans then either the Utanagans do have wolf's blood but the breeders try to conceal it for obvious reasons, or the Mutaras have nothing of a wolf and their mother is a sort of Utonagan mix... :)

A good question! I think Dharkwolf is right:
I can think of a few more reasons: some want to show off, impress their neighbours or friends, feel more macho-like - the "Me and My Wolf" sort of attitude :cheesy: , etc., etc. And of course, there are also true wolf lovers who treat the dogs as imperfect substitutes for wolves which they cannot breed... They're watching their dogs and dreaming of wolves... :mrgreen:

What really suprises me is the marketing slogan: "We are an alternative to all other wolf like breeds"- there is more to a wolf, a Sarloos, a CWD and probably even to an Utonagan than looks!
Maybe "We are an alternative to wolves" would be fairer and... more effective? :twisted:

Utonagan
 

Hi There, Wolves, wolf dogs, wolf hybrids are obviously banned in the UK, but that doesn't stop UK residents wishing they could own something similar. The UKKC is so uptight that apart from the Czwd and the Saarloos which are having problems in the UK (I'm gutted about this as I wanted one) the Utonagan is the closest wolf alike that I've met through Utonagan owners and breeders from www.utonagan.co.uk. If anyone can please advise of any other wolf alikes I would be really grateful. The breeders from the site above state that the orignal breeder crossed these three breeds (with something else, ehmm!!) to develop a breed that resembles the wolf' (appearance only) as closely as possible. As alot of people in the UK (me included, sorry:?) and other parts of the world think the Husky and the Mal are similar to the wolf, I don't think they went far wrong with the Utonagan, really. Those I've met are definately wolf like and get hundreds of admirers at shows, etc. They definately haven't used Saarloos or Czwd on this site (I think they enquired but due to restrictions couldn't import them at the time) but I think Margo was right on her other suggestion!!!. They haven't used Husky, Mal or GSD for years either, it is purely Utonagan to Utonagan. They didn't breed them for work merely for appearance but they are very versatile and used in various disciplines including helping the disabled.

Selected GSD' were apparently used, for a short period only, to elongate the snout (more like the wolf), so I'm told, but this then increased ear size also, this has been bred out in the main. I do have a picture of a Czwd and a Utonagan somewhere, where they both look identical and I personally can definately see a similarity hence why I love both breeds, but as I've said if anyone can advise of another breed that is more wolf like (and permissable in the UK), please do tell me as I've been looking for ages now..lol
Thanks

First of all Mutaras look nothing like Utonagans. I don't know what site you guys have been looking at, but Mahtal Utonagans look a lot like wolves or wolf dogs. Here is the website: www.mahtal-utonagan.co.uk/
Not everybody wants to raise a wolf (no offense, I'm a big wolf fan). I think that the GSD, Husky, & Malamute were a very good combination. They all have great temperments and are three beautiful dogs. I collect wolf everything, but I would not want an actual wolf. There is always that chance of them acting like there breed which is wild.

I think as far as classifying these breeds they are all considered wolfdogs. Dogs which look like or act more like wolves than other dogs. I also assume that these would be good working dogs as all of the breeds used were intelligent working breeds. I considered breeding a dog that was like this rather than trying to import, though I would use a couple of other breeds as well. I think wolves are beautiful, what is wrong with wanting a dog that looks like one but has the temperament of a GSD? wouldnt that mean less people taking on wolf hybrids and then distoying them because they couldnt handle its wildness? I personally would love to own a wolf but I cant in Australia, not because of its looks but for what it is. I would love to study how they interact. But I understand why someone would want one of these dogs.

Maybe they do not look like Utonagans now because Canadian Wolves change their colour after some years (for example their mother Lupina was also brown when she was young and she is pure-white now). But they have similar 'roots'... ;)

If I will look on Utonagans and take in consideration the look of American Wolves and Wolfdogs then: yes, Utonagans are relative wolfish. ...But if I will compare them with European Wolves or Czechoslovakian Wolves then: no, they do not look similar to a wolf. Not a little bit. It is enough to take a look on European Wolves:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/gallery/cat5.html (without last 4 links)
Expecially nice photos from Pistoia:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/gallery/cat1663.html

Sure some people in Europe know a lot of movies with white or black wolves from USA and they will believe Utonagans are wolfish. But is was also the reason why so many people in Europe buy Siberian Huskies as wolf substitution... :wink:

Although I would like it would be true what you wrote but I'm sorry I must disappoint you. Do you want an example? Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. Created by the Czech army not because the people there were wolf fans but because they were looking for "better" GSD: more tough, more vigilant with better "nose" (smell). The best solution was to cross GSD with Wolves. And they achieved their goal: better working abilities as border guard dogs. Reason why CzWs look like wolves are not their creator's taste but down-to-earth reasons:
1) the exterier genes of wolf were dominant
2) the body of a wolf is simply perfect - wolves live almost all over the world and they can adapt to all conditions. Dogs with such body have similar characteristics.
The Czechoslovakian army made very strong selection (unimaginable today) for 20 years. And after it the same selection made private breeders also for over 20 years. And the result is a dog which we call today Czechoslovakian Wolfdog where "Wolfdog" has historical meaning pointing to the origin of this breed.
Sure CzWs are different than GSD because nobody of us want to achieve such characteristisc. And they are not dogs for beginners. But compared to other "normal" breed they are much less 'agressive' (for example compared to Belgian Shepherd Dogs), much less dominant (for example compared to Rottweilers), aso.
But because they are "Wolfdogs" the Little Red Riding Hood syndrome is still working what you can see in the problems of CzWs in UK, Norway or Sweden. The people there responsible for regulations don't care about getting info about this dogs, about their character. They do not rely on statistics or real knowledge. There are no accidents with CzWs behind it. They simply made new law basing on their own phobia.

If you want to make an experiment just convince Utonagan breeders to change the name to "Utonagan Wolfdog". What do you think - how long it will take the bureaucrats there to put also Utonagan on the ban list....? :twisted:

Margo,
This is a good point,most of the UK interest in ther CZW is for totally the wrong reason and few actually have any idea of the working capability of the breed.
Without doubt there will be those who would use the CZW to introduce wolf genetics into other breeds,if it has not already been done and I am told that this has been done in europe with the GSD,this should not be the reason to own the CZW,they are a wonderful working dog in their own right and this has been my argument with DEFRA although they choose not to listen,their first comment in their replies is "If you currently own a wolf hybrid then you need to etc)which shows just how little knowledge or understanding they actually have.
The CZW is the result of careful breeding and selection not just another hybrid of unknown origin.
I have been trying to convince the police to try one because of the scenting ability but as usual political reasons prevent it.
Paul

Sorry I didnt mean their is anything wrong with CWD's but that there is nothing wrong with breeding a dog that looks like a wolf but doesnt have the agression ( more like stubborness ). I own a czech shepherd ( a wolf dog) and I personally think she is perfect, but not for everyone. So if they breed a dog that looks like a wolf but is more laid back I think there will be less people buying work dogs. As far as the goverment goes I know as a fact that we use wolfdogs here in the Air Force and Army. My dog has training as a sniffer dog. She is an ex-air force dog. Just try hide her favourite toy :cheesy: They are considered better working dogs than GSD. I do however hear romours of CWD's being scittish and that would put the Army off.

Lingerwolve - sorry, what does scittish mean? I don't think CsWs are any more aggresivce than other dog breeds, stubborn - maybe, but I think it is the showing of their inteligence. Anyway, I think if people want utonagans, I don't see it as a problem, but they really don't look as much as wolves, especially with their malamute-like tails. No offence.

Hi Ligerwolve,

I'm really curious.What is a Czech Sheperd ?
And in brackets you called her a wolfdog.So what is she now,a CWD or GSD ?
The only Czech sheperd dog I know is the so called Chodsky Pes breed (not recognized by FCI), a typical old continental herding and guarding type of dog.
In behaviour and exteriour absolutely different to the British type of herding dog.The avarage size is 50 cm which is about 19,5 inches.
Do you have one of those dogs ?
They make brilliant working dogs, such as sniffing and avalanche rescue dogs
Another thing is,wolves need aggression to survive (territoral,sexual and food motivated aggression),this is not bad and has nothing to do with stubborness at all.
All of our domesticated dogs inherited this behaviour from their wild ancestors. Even a Toy Poodle !
As a behaviourist I see these problem cases .In most cases it has nothing to do with the breed,but with certain people keeping the wrong breed and treating them like a human and not like a dog,which is not fair to the dog.
Sooner or later rank order problems will arise.
So we have to be very careful in generalizing a certain behaviour or even certain dog breeds.

Michael

Neither wolves are aggressive animals! Some alphas may be more independent and decisive- acting as "pack leaders" - but on principle wolves avoid humans and hunt farm animals only when starving, struggling for survival, exactly like packs of dogs that run wild... But nobody sane would ban dog breeding due to such incidents! CWD are relatively independent and intelligent on the whole, and some CzWs are more independent and strong-willed than others, but the same can be said of almost any breed, including the ones used for Untanagans... All dogs are close to wolves!!! Otherwise cross-breeding wouldn't be possible at all....
Personally I have nothing against Untanagans, they are beautiful and look charming, but I think it's unfair to call them an alternative to any other breed, as if they were meant to be a substitute of anything. Either it is a unique breed with described appearance and predictable, to certain extent , temperament and character, like CWD or Sarloos or not. But definitely there is more to a breed than just appearance!

Hello Rona,

wolves ,as other species too,are aggressive animals.
And it is an absolutely essential behaviour to show these forms of aggression I mentioned in my previous comment.Without them it wouldn't be possible to survive,reproduce and form a stable pack.
But we have to distinguish between any form of aggression and hunting behaviour.
Hunting behaviour is not an aggressive behaviour.
Neither form of aggression is involved if a wolf or a dog kills farm or other animals.
No social interaction between the two animals happens if a sheep gets killed by a wolf.
But any kind of social interaction is necessary to show aggression.
So defence work with dogs for example, is normally based on play instinct which is a form of hunting behaviour.
If you do it properly the dog doesn't fall into aggressive behaviour.
But that's another story.

Michael

I cannot help, but I disagree with this. Wolves are not exactly aggressive animals. They have developed a complex rules of behaviour to prevent fights and aggression in the pack. Those rules are sometimes very complicated, but to the wolves they are perfectly clear. The wolves communicate, show dominance or submission, but for me dominance does not automatically mean aggression.
The main purpose of all the communications expressing rank and relationships within the pack is to keep peace. The wolves in the pack can rarely afford to fight each other, because that would be destructive to the well-being of the pack. Thus, they use gestures and symbolic actions, to PREVENT the aggression.

Mirka

OK. You're right if the word "agressive" is to be understood in scientific -biological /behaviourist context. In this context people too, are agressive, and this characteristic enables them to survive as individuals and species.

What I meant was rather the popular meaning of the term. Some people think that wolves are wild beasts that attack everything on their way that moves, which of course is totally wrong. In natural environment wolves keep away from humans and that's why CWD owners are advised to socialise the puppies from early age. Otherwise some of them might devlop a fear of people which seems to be a trait inherited from their remote ancestors.

A Czech Shepherd, is a dog designed as a working dog that is used by Australian Armed Forces. They have GSD like markings but on closer inspection look nothing like it. Think of a CWD make it all black, give it a wider rib cage and shorter legs. that will ruffly give you the other idea. You should be able to find examples of this on the internet, but you also get GSD. In Australia we have 2 types of wolfdogs. The Czech Shepherd and the Timber Shepherd. It is hard to find information on these breeds because untill recently they were illegal to have as pets and because it could cause the same problems if the public found out that the Army used wolf like dogs. I have a friend in the Armed Forces that gave me one, otherwise I would have never known about them. My dog was not trained properly by the owner who skipped steps all the time. Then wanted her destoyed because she did not do what he wanted. My friend rescued her and gave her to me. I've never had such a smart dog :D Akayla (the dog) would never bite unless a person tries to hurt me. She is always trying to rescue children in the park or near water, she is very protective. Unfortunately the breeders here will only do business with the Armed forces so I cannot get another from here. I have heard the CWD is just as smart and a good worker so that is why I am interested in importing one. My only point was that the Utonagon is also a nice (wolf like) breed. Though I havent heard as many good things about them.

Wolf dogs in the UK
 

Hello,

We are new to the internet, may have found the wrong place to write this and don't have a Czechoslovakian wolfdog. What we do have is what we have always known as a wolfdog. In the early 1990's this did not seem to be a problem in the UK but now they are aparantly known as utonagan etc etc. Forgive us for our ignorance but we have owned our dogs who are not the first for a long time and are rather worried about a few things.
1. Wolf dogs to us are completely loyal, trustworthy animals to their pack and family. Cannot be trusted with livestock, small pets etc and must have secure fencing etc and as long as they are brought up properly and with respect they have always given the same back.
2. Are any of these animals sold as other names in the Uk actually wolf hybrids and sold to unknowing families as good with small children/ cats etc.
3 If this does happen not only are these lovely dogs getting wrongly accused for things that shouldn't happen people and animals may be getting hurt from the incorrect advice they are getting from breeders. i.e. we have always purchased our wolf dogs knowing what they are like.

Just a worrying thought I have.

Kelvin Tuplin

Hello Kelvin and wellcome! Answering to your first question, the CZW has definitely nothing to do with the Utanagon you talk about. The CZW is a quite new breed with their own history which you will find in the home page. I believe that your dogs must be hybrids for what I infer from your words.
CZW are perfectly trainable dogs, but as you say they will feel more comfortable wiht those of the pack :I talk from my own experience, my CZW won't allow anyone home unless they are from the pack. For the rest, if they are well socialized there won't be any problem with children, other dogs or any other pets.
Esther

Hello Kelvin, and welcome to Wolfdog.org!

To be honest I am not quite sure what your question is, so I will clarify a few things, and maybe you can explain your concerns a little bit better.

A wolfdog is generally accepted to be an individual that belongs to a dog breed (an established dog breed, generally recognized by the FCI) that contains a certain known percentage of wolf blood.

A wolf hybrid is a cross between a dog and a wolf, (F1) or between a wolf hybrid and a dog or wolf (F2, F3 etc)

The main difference between a wolfdog and a wolf hybrid is that wolfdogs are the result of careful breeding which has resulted in lines of working dogs (all wolfdogs are working dogs) who have a stable character and therefore make good pets in the hands of the right owners (generally they do tend to be a little bit wilful and harder to handle than your average dog though). On the other hand wolf hybrids are the result of a cross between two animals of very different temperament whose behaviour cannot be predicted and which can be very difficult to handle at times. They may turn out to be great pets – then again they may not, despite all the effort that can be spent on working with them.

I should point out that this site (wolfdog.org) is entirely dedicated to a particular breed of wolfdog – the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (CSV – initials are derived from the Czech name). The other recognized breed of wolfdog is the Saarloos wolfdog.

By those definitions, an Utonagan is not in fact a wolfdog, rather it belongs to a line of dogs which have been bred to appear as close to wolves as possible but which have been bred purely from a mix of dog breeds – odds are you know more about the origins of Utonagans than I do so I won’t go into details there.

This fits the description of a CSV quite well – with the exception that a CSV which has been raised around small animals and pets will not bother them particularly, our wolfdogs get along quite well with our cat (I admit, it is a Maine Coon so not exactly a small cat… but still) and I do know of wolfdogs which get along with other small animals such as guinea pigs without any major incidents. Naturally a wolfdog who is not used to such animals will wreck havoc and mayhem (though for him it will be just a game) if left with animals which it may consider prey (they don’t have to be small either!)

The issue of wolfdogs in the UK has been addressed several times on this forum. Currently wolfdogs are banned in the UK due to the interpretation by DEFRA of the dangerous and wild animals act – some people on this site have very strong opinions about this, as the clamp down of DEFRA on wolfdogs has been rather heavy handed.

So to answer this question:

Wolf hybrids as in a cross between wolf and dog – extremely unlikely for a number of reasons. First of all such animals are quite rare. Even dogs which are claimed to be wolf hybrids are more often than dog just simply dogs … There are currently less than 20 registered owners of wolf/wolf hybrids living in the UK and those people know what they are handling. Secondly DEFRA simply will not allow the importation of such animals. There is still a small (very small) chance that wolf hybrids may get through – but that is extremely unlikely.

Unfortunately you don’t even need some uncontrolled wolf hybrid running around Albion for animals to get wrongly accused. DEFRA policy also stops legitimate dog breeds (ie the CSV) from entering the UK – at the time when the policy was implemented the few CSV owners in they had their animals confiscated… a rather distressing experience as you may well imagine.

I hope this answers at least some of your questions – feel free to share any other thoughts which you may have with us, worrying or otherwise!

J.

Hello,

Thanks for your replies.
I apologise for a subject that is nothing to do with Czechoslovakian Wolfdog but from what I have seen they are lovely dogs and you seem to be honest people.

What concerns me greatly is that wolf crosses etc are sold to people that don't know what they are getting. I have a good idea that utonagan are bringing in wolves and calling their pedigrees other names.

My wolf dog can't go for walks where he may meet other dogs, he would attack cattle if he could get off the lead, he has killed cats, he would knock down the door if he wanted to be in. He also sleeps on my bed, sits on the setee at night watching TV, opens the door whilst I am in the bath etc etc.

Sorry for going on about something nothing to do with your breed but I am very worries that my dog and similar types are suffering due to the dishonesty of others who think they can get a dog to look like a wolf and act like the best behaved labrador.

Thanks,
Kevin.

Hi Kevin :)

Just wondering where you have heard about any addition of wolf into Utonagon's??...

Ut's are a wolf look a like not a wolf hybrid or even a wolfdog breed...

But what sometimes happens is irresponsible breeders may well pass of a dog like a Utonagon as a wolf hybrid, just for the money.

Hi,

What actually happens is some irresponsible breeders pass off wolf hybrids as utonagans so that they look more wolfy presumably for the money.

hi kevin where did you get your dog? is it a utonagan? i have a utonagan and she is friendly she will lick any one she meets at the moment she is 16 weeks old all she wants to do is play.

I'm sorry, but it all sounds very confusing to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you don't really know whether you own an Untanagan, a wolf, a wolf-hybrid or wolfdog ( i.e. a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog or a Saarlos). :shock:

It is strange that some people buy animals to keep at home without even checking on the kennel, on the breeder, the pup's parents, even the breed itself. How can one buy an animal ONLY for his/her wolfish looks!!! It shows a lack of imagination and responsibility. How could a good owner provide the pet with good care and proper training, if he or she does not even know what kind of animal he/she has at home.

Every breed, (not to mention wild animals) requires a different approach, attitude, methods of to training, feeding etc. And we're not talking here of mixes of common,"easy" breeds but of beautiful, social but independent, wilful creatures with relatively complex character and sometimes (in case of wolf-hybrids) highly unpredictable set of features.

If not brought up and handled properly they may cause troubles. In result
owners of innocent, well-trained dogs of well-established breeds (such as e.g. CzV) will suffer, only becuase their dogs look similar to the "wild" and unpredictable animals :evil:

Kevin (my excuses for bungling your name earlier on)

Even though I do not agree with the premises in the DEFRA report on the keeping of wolf hybrids in the UK (namely the arbitrary definition of what actually consititutes a wolf hybrid) does contain some interesting information about this issue.

You can find the report here:

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-cou...gwd/hybrid.htm

He also sleeps on my bed, sits on the setee at night watching TV, opens the door whilst I am in the bath etc etc.

a. It is up to PEOPLE to research, even though I do not condone the Back Yard Breeding of such animals, A well researched owner thus would not buy such an animal as they would know better.

b. It is in the Utonagan standard that wolves should not be used in breeding, if such animal is used the animal is not a Utonagan - this is a problem however as the Utonagan is underdeveloped and un standardised, much like the Labradoodles or Cockerpoos, brought from the lovely USA. (lets get off that topic *rolls eyes*)
If a breeder uses wolves then, the Utonagan Society should make a statement or likewise.

c. Any breed of any dog may be vicious, I have known in my time some of the most hideously badly behaved Border Collie X Bearded Collies, so 2 breeds regarded as usual family loving dogs - these dogs as a result of bad ownership and training are dangerous to extremes. (One incident where one dog had its jaw wrapped lovingly around my Skull. not nice.)

" He also sleeps on my bed, sits on the setee at night watching TV, opens the door whilst I am in the bath etc etc."

Well quite simply.
that is your OWN issue and problem,
If YOU let your dog be the Boss and Alpha he will naturally assume the position if YOU are the Boss and are the Alpha over him this will effectivly erradicate this behaviour.

He acts like this because your letting him.
Dont let him in future I once knew a Pit Bull breeder (online) who even though she trusted her dogs with her own, and childrens lives would NEVER EVER EVER let them sleep on her bed. This could make the dogs territorial and attack even the family that they love to hold a position and hirachy.

DOGS have their places
PEOPLE have their places

dont confuse the two, dont let the dog EVER be the boss of you.

good luck with your dog.

I personally advise Behaviour and Training Classes by a proffesional in your case.

I have to agree with Amie about this. If Kevin´s wolf-dog (or whatever it is) acts like this, it is not only his fault. He does it because he thinks he CAN do it. Maybe he thinks he is the boss who decides, what he will do, where he will sleep and where he will go. Seems Kevin has no authority for the dog at all.

Of course, thinks might be more difficult to explain to a wolf-dog, than to a poodle, but it has to be done.

I´d recommend you to read and follow advices either of John Fisher (book Think dog! or Why does my dog..?) or Jan Fennel´s book Dog listener. In all these books you will be explained about the importance of Alpha status in the pack (family) and how to achieve it.

Good luck!

Hi Kevin, why don't you look at some Utonagans (formerly known as Northern Inuit) and see if your dogs resemble them, they don't adhere to a standard like other breeds coz the standard just says 'looks as much like a wolf as possible' but they don't have the gingery backs of ears and neck that CSVs have and quite a different shape. You probably have a Utonagan as they are bred for looks (for money) not for character. They cannot be shown as they are not reckognised as a breed yet. They are a bit 'silly', they're intelligent but very unlikely to do anything useful with that. They bred them from Alaskan Malamute, Siberian Husky and GSD but don't expect that they would have much of their working-dog blood left as they are purely a dog made for SELLING to people who want to tell the gawping kids that see them in the street that they have a pet wolf. These are the most likely dogs to be sold as wolfXdog. You do not have a wolfXdog coz they virtually dont exist. Who's going to smuggle a live wolf into UK? :lol:

Oh yeah , and I have nothing against Utonagans. I'm sure they are born with lovely characters. Not useful or trainable to competetive standard maybe but the ones I've met were certainly very very friendly. In fact I met five Ut's and two Malamutes at the same time and they licked me so much I nearly drowned! By the way the Ut's were the bosses over the Malamutes.

LMFAO!
you would be quite suprised!
there was a case about a year ago of a live SNOW LEOPARD being found in someones car boot!


But yes, many dogs like utonagans are bred for romantisim.

Hello,

I think I may have got the wrong message across in my last email. By saying my dog sleeps on the bed, sits on the setee etc I do not mean he is being dominant. What I mean is he is part of our family and although some people may not agree this is how we treat our animals. He does know who is boss and does as he is told and has actually always been very well trained as is our other dog. What I meant to say is because of his nature and how he is he cannot be treated as the sort of dog you can just let loose and not expect any problems or not expect him to not completely destroy the garden etc etc. He is actually a very shy dog unless you know him very well and can't cope with crowded places or lots of people. This is not anything to do with him not being socialised it is just the way he is. What I mean is you should understand the type of dog you are getting and I can honestly say I would not have my dog with any other personality than the one he has. He is not a utonagan. I have met them and they are nothing like him in looks or temperament.
Hope this explains things a bit better.

Kevin

Ok Kevin,
sorry for misunderstanding you. But me and apparently many people here did not quite figure out, what you wanted to say.
If you like your dog how he is, that is of course only up to you and it is perfectly fine. Just I still do not understand your warnings. You do not know, what you have at home - you think it is maybe wolf-hybrid, it is not Utonagan and most probably it is not CSW.
Behaviour and naturel of wolf-hybrid is absolutely uncomparable of that of Czechoslovakian wolfdog. CSW is a dog breed, for years selected on character, exterior etc.
Yes of course, CSW maybe is not the best dog for beginners and it´s training and raising has its specifications. But so do other breeds. You could hardly recommend a beginner to get pitbull or rottweiler (for example), because they also, if not trained and raised respectfully, can turn out into difficult dogs.

Kevin, send us a picture and we might just have some idea what type of dog you have. You've got my interest now so i'm dying to know. Just don't ask me how to send a picture!

Wolf dogs in the UK
 

Have a look at these pictures:
http://cayo.zperonowki.com/galeria/ulubionykotek
http://cayo.zperonowki.com/galeria/goatsband
It seems Cayo's owners trust her and so does the kitten... However, I'm not sure about the goats :mrgreen:

Iowa's owners also trust their dog :D
http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics/gallery/d...678_neg-16.jpg


But these are DOGS of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog breed, and NOT wolf hybrids!!!

THE UTONAGON IS NOT A RECONISED BREED, NOR HAS IT ANY WOKF CONTENT WHAT SOEVER, THESE DOGS ARE BRED FROM HUSKY CROSS MALAMUTES TO ALSATION CROSS BELGIUM SHEPARDS, ANY RESEMBLENCE TO A WOLFDOG IS JUST A BIT OF LUCK THE BREEDER HAS HAD AND SO THEY CAN CHARGE MORE MONEY FOR THEM, THE NAME UTONAGON IS USED BY A BREEDER FROM NORTH ENGLAND AND WAS TAKEN FROM A BOOK ON NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS, I KNOW THE MAIN BREEDER AND REFUSED TO SELL A WOLFDOG TO THEM ON THE GROUNDS THAT MONEY WAS THE OBJECTIVE NOT THE DOGS, SOME BUYERS HAVE EVEN BEEN GIVEN PEDIGREES FOR THESE DOGS AND TOLD THEY WILL SOON BE RECONISED BY THE KENNEL CLUB, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN, ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN TOLD THIS CAN PHONE THE KENNEL CLUB AND FIND OUT FOR THEMSELFS, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ANY DOGS ONLY BACK STREET BREEDERS EXPLOTING PEOPLE FOR MONEY ,, MR P WINDER

hi ,. is p winder the paul winder who as his name down as a breeder on the czech wolf dog site ? if im wrong sorry. but mr p winder what is your problem with utonagans? why shout on your last post [eg capitals] i own a utonagan and she is a likeable dog. i have also owned gsh and i had a gshcross labrador and he was likeable to just liked to bark.ok utonagans look like wolves but i think they have a look of the czech wolfdog.i have looked at pictures of the czech wolf dogs as pups my utonagan is 19 weeks old and she as a close look to them.[eg showed a pic of a czech wolfdog to my other half by saying look at this and his reply when did you take that of my dog and i said i dident its a csech wolfdog].for him to make that mistake they must look much alike . back to my first questionif you are the breeder off the czech wolfdog site where do you breed your dogs ?as they are banned in the uk or are you passing them off as somethig else

hi i was unaware that cap locks ment anything in mails i am the mr winder who breeds czech wolfdogs in uk, i can assure you not to worry about anyone cross breeding any pup i have bred, my pups are sold as czech wolfdogs as in dog world add in january 2004, the czech is not a banned breed in uk, but is condemed by defra as dangerous wild animal and must live like one, no access to any public place, kept in special holding unit, never allowed of premisses to were lirnce has been granted, this is why i ask all breeders not to transport any czechs to uk, untill defra give then status as a breed of dog then we can work on setting up an import scheme, everyone is free to do as they wish you can bring one in, the czech wolfdog club of uk and the dogs are underground at present meetings will be set up for the summer and we can met up with the dogs and have a chat, we are fighting defra and kennel club and will be talking to them in near future, there are at present 12 czechs in uk and a breeding program is being set up, they are here to stay with or without the blrssing of defra or the kennel club, i will continue my fight to get them on the register again, and will if possible make an uninvited appearence at crufts again this year , best regards p winder

wolfdogs in England
 

I have a litter Saarloos Wolfdogs and some one from England asked about a pup. Could anyone tell if these Saarloos Wolfdogs are legal in England?
greatings
Jos de Bruin
www.wolf-auffang.de

Hello Jos,

They are even allowed as a CW, so it is a DEFRA case,

Letty

I tried to make a reply to this topic but i ended up making a new one i see... :oops:
Check my topic: Saarloos in the uk

Re: wolfdogs in England
 

Hi Jos can you email me at [email protected] regarding sending Saarloos to the uk, regards paul

Hello
 

Hello, I have just re-joined the forum after an absence of a good few years now. When I first joined I still had a dog I bought in the early 90's from a lady in Newark called Eddy. I bought my dog as a wolf hybrid. These are now illegal in the UK, and after my old girl dying I got 2 wolf look a like dogs, they are from a breed called Utonagan which means 'Spirit of the Wolf'
Is there anyone else on here who bought one of these dogs around about that time? I would be fascinated to hear about them and what happened to them. I miss my old girl loads still.