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Tassle 27-09-2011 23:28

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Originally Posted by yukidomari (Bericht 406258)
Not understanding how you've interpreted my post.. I was simply saying.. your example of saying "F1= 50% wolf, 50% GSD and F2= 50% wolf/GSD and so on" is not entirely accurate because that was not how the breeding was done. As I said, there was and is backcrossing and linebreeding, and so calculations would not strictly be by simply dividing, but rather you must account for things like F2b, and linebreeding. That's all.

What do you mean by "diluting" the breed though? Do you mean in terms of the mathematical calculation of wolfblood? That number is wholly irrelevant and says nothing about the temperament or type of an individual dog.. I can assure you that no breeder makes breeding plans based on what would maintain that mathematical number.


Taking this into account - surely the calculator is to be taken with a pinch of salt as a general possibility (or should that be probability?). Due to the way genetics works, even in a closed gene pool there is no way of knowing how much of each Parent the offspring will inherit?

In theory, the dogs could be higher or lower than predicted?

yukidomari 28-09-2011 00:10

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Originally Posted by Tassle (Bericht 406342)
Taking this into account - surely the calculator is to be taken with a pinch of salt as a general possibility (or should that be probability?). Due to the way genetics works, even in a closed gene pool there is no way of knowing how much of each Parent the offspring will inherit?

In theory, the dogs could be higher or lower than predicted?

Yes, exactly, so that's why the mathematical calculation is really not useful information, it's 'just for fun' as to the I suppose 'average' possibility assuming dogs inherit exactly half of characteristics (which we all know it doesn't).

Tassle 28-09-2011 10:42

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Originally Posted by yukidomari (Bericht 406350)
Yes, exactly, so that's why the mathematical calculation is really not useful information, it's 'just for fun' as to the I suppose 'average' possibility assuming dogs inherit exactly half of characteristics (which we all know it doesn't).

Always nice to keep these things in perspective :)

tupacs2legs 28-09-2011 10:48

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Originally Posted by Tassle (Bericht 406342)
Taking this into account - surely the calculator is to be taken with a pinch of salt as a general possibility (or should that be probability?). Due to the way genetics works, even in a closed gene pool there is no way of knowing how much of each Parent the offspring will inherit?

In theory, the dogs could be higher or lower than predicted?

exactly why i said its irrelevant ;) (in my first post)

happyfeet 28-09-2011 14:12

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs (Bericht 406409)
exactly why i said its irrelevant ;) (in my first post)

If it is irrelevant then why did you calculate your own dog???

loco 28-09-2011 15:06

I also think it is irrelevant, because i have a dog with 100 % CSW-blood :mrgreen:.

happyfeet 28-09-2011 15:32

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Originally Posted by loco (Bericht 406500)
I also think it is irrelevant, because i have a dog with 100 % CSW-blood :mrgreen:.

Thanks for your comment, but this has been a wealth of information for myself everyone else who has posted, after all, this is a forum for the Czechslovakian Wolfdog, not the Czechslovakian Dog , but please correct me if I am wrong ??

tupacs2legs 28-09-2011 16:05

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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406476)
If it is irrelevant then why did you calculate your own dog???

Oh dear,I came across it when using the tool for something else.....and?
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Originally Posted by loco (Bericht 406500)
I also think it is irrelevant, because i have a dog with 100 % CSW-blood :mrgreen:.

:lol: indeed
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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406513)
Thanks for your comment, but this has been a wealth of information for myself everyone else who has posted, after all, this is a forum for the Czechslovakian Wolfdog, not the Czechslovakian Dog , but please correct me if I am wrong ??

Actually they are vlcak's I suggest u look up what it means and translations ;)

What's got a bee in your bonnet? Were the answers from people that know the BREED not want u wanted to hear?

Eta .... The word vlcak....

Vlčák means all German Shepherd Dog and wolfdogs in the Czech language cs:Vlčák. Word vlčák is derived from vlk (wolf). Vlčák or Německý vlčák (German vlčák) means also German Shepherd Dog in common Czech. Correct Czech name of German Shepherd Dog is německý ovčák.

I think maybe you are putting too much on the 'wolf content' as there was a helluva lot more GSD's used ;-)

loco 28-09-2011 16:26

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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406513)
, not the Czechslovakian Dog , but please correct me if I am wrong ??

I wil, because i said CSW ;).
Czecho Slovakian Wolfdog.
And I have a CSW ;-).

But stil, it is a dog :biggrina.


happyfeet 28-09-2011 16:59

I thought this was a discussion forum? not a bitching forum? I find both of your attitudes rather poor at best,

2packs I see from your other posts that you seem to enjoy putting everyone you can down, I find it rather distastfull.

My question has been answered, for my research my question was relevent and the Elf link gave me a wealth of information.

happyfeet 28-09-2011 17:02

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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406535)
I thought this was a discussion forum? not a bitching forum? I find both of your attitudes rather poor at best,

2packs I see from your other posts that you seem to enjoy putting everyone you can down, I find it rather distastfull.

My question has been answered, for my research my question was relevent and the Elf link gave me a wealth of information.


:lol: AND WELCOME TO THE WOLFDOG FORUM! :twisted:

Tassle 28-09-2011 17:26

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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406535)
I thought this was a discussion forum? not a bitching forum? I find both of your attitudes rather poor at best,

2packs I see from your other posts that you seem to enjoy putting everyone you can down, I find it rather distastfull.

My question has been answered, for my research my question was relevent and the Elf link gave me a wealth of information.

Just for interest why do you feel it is important?

tupacs2legs 28-09-2011 17:26

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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406535)
I thought this was a discussion forum? not a bitching forum? I find both of your attitudes rather poor at best,

2packs I see from your other posts that you seem to enjoy putting everyone you can down, I find it rather distastfull.

My question has been answered, for my research my question was relevent and the Elf link gave me a wealth of information.

who do i put down? i defo do not enjoy putting people down!

i didnt like your attitude in the post so i replied with the same attitude,mind u whats wrong with saying something is irrelevant imo...as its my opinion to have :?
and disagreeing is part of discussion is it not?

yukidomari 28-09-2011 17:44

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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406476)
If it is irrelevant then why did you calculate your own dog???

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari (Bericht 406350)
Yes, exactly, so that's why the mathematical calculation is really not useful information, it's 'just for fun' as to the I suppose 'average' possibility assuming dogs inherit exactly half of characteristics (which we all know it doesn't).

;) exactly and only for this reason.

loco 28-09-2011 17:45

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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406513)
please correct me if I am wrong ??

You said please,............................:?.
I did nothing more you asked for ;-).

happyfeet 28-09-2011 18:06

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Originally Posted by leila (Bericht 406187)
Hi, my Nero is 27,9 and Chasa 30,05%. the average is about 25-26%.
In the tool you can find very interesting informations, % about the dogs in health, wolfblood, pedigree,...

and

I see its used by other breeders i,e shadowlands etc on this thread


so is it wrong to ask? show interest in how this breed was formed? or are you just having another rant at a newbie for asking a question? I note you didnt ask the other people on the thread why they felt it was important to use the tool? or is it ok for some to use and not others?

I see that Blaidd states clearly in opening the tread why he was interested and I have had a go to see what wolfblood is in my dog its only human to be interested isnt it?


whether its a breeder using it for info, a potential owner or just for research its still a great tool and useful.

I dont understand why you insist on making mountains out of mole hills

I see that Blaidd has a pure dog, wouldnt it be better to welcome him with open arms involve him in your plans to KC register the breed in the UK and
get to know him than try to play mini detectives and pull at threads and play on words!

If you keep doing this to newbies support will dwindle for your plans

IN MY OPINION

DONT BE PUT OFF BLAIDD NOT ALL FORUM MEMBERS ARE LIKE THIS SOME ARE REALLY HELPFUL AND SUPPORTIVE

You should look and read the threads on UK Kennel club registration some of the forum members on there are trying to work together for the breed recognition in the UK.... once you get over the back biting underneath I think they are trying to work together.....

Good Luck!

Shadowlands 28-09-2011 19:01

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands (Bericht 406215)
Elf's tool is invaluable - don't know where we would be without it :)

Gives all sorts of interesting information about individual dogs plus is really useful when planning a breeding.

Our girl is 30.17% wolfblood (have to admit, I'd never looked this up before ;))

If I am reading it correctly, it gives you how many generations back the founding wolves were involved in each individual CsV - fascinating!

It is not anything a breeder places any emphasis on - it's just for fun

happyfeet 28-09-2011 19:07

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands (Bericht 406562)
It is not anything a breeder places any emphasis on - it's just for fun

Have you just contradicted yourself?

Shadowlands 28-09-2011 19:13

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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406564)
Have you just contradicted yourself?

Sorry Blaidd, I don't understand how...

I said in my original post that I had never looked up the wolfblood before and that was what I was referring to as a bit of fun.

Elf's tool, on the other hand, is invaluable to breeders.

Hope this clears things up :)

happyfeet 28-09-2011 22:36

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Originally Posted by Tassle (Bericht 406543)
Just for interest why do you feel it is important?



I cannot see how anyone could believe it is a good thing to be buying a 'breed' and not know what has made it up??Inuits (British and Northern), Utes, British Wolfdogs....(and the things we are not allowed to mention)...are marketed by many as a breed (wrongly IMO)...to be unaware of what has gone in (so many people do not even seem to realise there is Sibe or Mal in there).
It is unfair on the people buying them IMO.



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